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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

    This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

    As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

    1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
    2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
    3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

    I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

    From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

    And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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    xenon
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    #253

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

    This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

    As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

    1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
    2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
    3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

    I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

    From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

    And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

    So interesting. But it's not too hard to see how that works. They just flip the script back onto the US and say "yeah, like your hands are so clean? Look what you did in Iraq, Libya, etc."

    Then it gets into a matter of degrees, but the moral waters are already muddy.

    I think I remember Trump making a similar argument when pushed about the atrocities of other countries "you think our country is so innocent?"

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

      This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

      As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

      1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
      2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
      3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

      I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

      From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

      And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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      Copper
      wrote on last edited by
      #254

      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

      And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

      They would do well as members of BLM.

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      • X xenon

        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

        This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

        As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

        1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
        2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
        3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

        I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

        From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

        And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

        So interesting. But it's not too hard to see how that works. They just flip the script back onto the US and say "yeah, like your hands are so clean? Look what you did in Iraq, Libya, etc."

        Then it gets into a matter of degrees, but the moral waters are already muddy.

        I think I remember Trump making a similar argument when pushed about the atrocities of other countries "you think our country is so innocent?"

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #255

        @xenon

        Whataboutism is a cornerstone of Putin’s propaganda strategy. Just listen to how Lavrov, Peskov and the Russian Ambassador defend the indefensible.

        Elbows up!

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          Horace
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          #256

          It’s astonishing that after eons of culturally distributed propaganda working flawlessly within every human culture ever, it continues to work now.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

            This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

            As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

            1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
            2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
            3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

            I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

            From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

            And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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            Aqua Letifer
            wrote on last edited by
            #257

            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

            This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

            As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

            1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
            2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
            3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

            I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

            From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

            And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

            Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

            Please love yourself.

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            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

              This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

              As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

              1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
              2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
              3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

              I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

              From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

              And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

              Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

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              Copper
              wrote on last edited by
              #258

              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

              Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

              The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #259

                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                Given enough time, another "world war" is pretty much a sure thing unless:

                1. We get invaded by aliens (from outer space) first
                2. We migrate off planet Earth first
                3. Another global catastrophe got the human race first (pandemic, climate change, mad science gone bad, big meteor, etc.)
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                • CopperC Copper

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                  Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                  The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #260

                  @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                  Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                  The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                  If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • CopperC Copper

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                    Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                    The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #261

                    @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                    Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                    The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                    Nuclear bomb detonates in Paris. Americans wonder what effect this will have on the mid-terms.

                    I was only joking

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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #262

                      entire societies can be moved by artful messaging. Why wouldn't someone observe and comment on that messaging? I mean unless they're like a fish not observing and commenting on the water.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        #263

                        Ukraine is now sending Terminators after the Rus. 😆

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-army-is-using-terminator-drones-to-scare-russians-into-retreat/ar-AAVYOCM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8feed417e5bb40a39d443a8e91fbf37e

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          Ukraine is now sending Terminators after the Rus. 😆

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-army-is-using-terminator-drones-to-scare-russians-into-retreat/ar-AAVYOCM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8feed417e5bb40a39d443a8e91fbf37e

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                          Renauda
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                          #264

                          @Mik

                          Psy-fi-ops.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            #265

                            It would likely be more effective had they not put it in the news.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                              Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                              The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                              If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                              CopperC Offline
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                              Copper
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #266

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                              Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                              The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                              If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                              Maybe you missed it

                              The democrats are now using this war as their #1 talking point

                              Mr. Biden is a war hero

                              Mr. Putin is a bad guy and Mr. Biden is protecting the world. Most of the guys pushing this story couldn't pick Mr. Putin out of a lineup.

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                                Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                                The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                                If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                                Maybe you missed it

                                The democrats are now using this war as their #1 talking point

                                Mr. Biden is a war hero

                                Mr. Putin is a bad guy and Mr. Biden is protecting the world. Most of the guys pushing this story couldn't pick Mr. Putin out of a lineup.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #267

                                @Copper

                                Sorry I missed it. I however watch unAmerican slick media. None of that pop kulture stuff like CNN or Fux.

                                Might try to do better next time

                                Elbows up!

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                                  George K
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                                  #268

                                  Updated:

                                  Screen Shot 2022-04-09 at 6.54.50 PM.png

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #269

                                    Interesting thread on the support for Putin of Russian speakers outside Russia.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      Very interesting. Makes some twisted sense of what is otherwise unconceivable to us.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #271

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          Thanks @jon-nyc . Fascinating mindset.

                                          Meanwhile, if you're keeping score...

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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