The Ukraine war thread
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President Zelensky has said the war in Ukraine will “end sooner” once Donald Trump becomes US president than it otherwise would have.
“It is certain that the war will end sooner with the policies of the team that will now lead the White House,” the Ukrainian leader said in an interview. “This is their approach, their promise to their citizens.”
He added that Ukraine “must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means”.
Zelensky said on Friday that he had a “constructive exchange” with Trump during their phone conversation after Trump’s election victory, although US legislation prevents them from meeting ahead of Trump’s inauguration in January.
“I didn’t hear anything that goes against our position,” he told the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, adding that he would only talk directly with Trump and not through emissaries.
“I, as the president of Ukraine, will only take seriously a conversation with the president of the United States of America, with all due respect to any entourage, to any people,” he said.
Trump has suggested that he will halt US aid if Zelensky refuses to negotiate a ceasefire with the Kremlin.
If the Russian president rejects any peace proposals, Trump has said he could instead ramp up weapons deliveries to Ukraine. He could also grant Ukraine permission to use long-range western missiles to hit targets deep inside Russia, something that the Biden administration has so far refused to sanction.
Putin has previously said that peace is only possible if Kyiv formally renounces any plans to join Nato. He has also demanded Ukraine surrender four regions in the south and east of the country, as well as Crimea, which Zelensky has so far refused to contemplate.
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Groundwork is being laid for The Deal.
On one hand, Ukraine will be under pressure to cut a deal or lose their major supplier of arms and ammunition.
OTOH, Russia will be under pressure, that Ukraine may get more and better weapons, with carte blanche to use them as they will.
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“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Back to the February 23, 2022 line and close the book on that one. Trump is going to make quick work of the negotiations and everybody's going to give a bit (or a lot.) It's a pointless war. It did isolate Russia and hurt it's economy for a long time to come and it strenthened NATO so that all turned out good but it cost a lot of money and a lot of lives. As to Ukraine in NATO, probably not.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.
WhatWho changed POTATUS' mind?Why now?
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.
WhatWho changed POTATUS' mind?Why now?
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.
WhatWho changed POTATUS' mind?Why now?
Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met? Think they had an agreement?
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.
WhatWho changed POTATUS' mind?Why now?
Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met? Think they had an agreement?
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met?
When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?
After all, if/when it happens, it'll probably be on Trump's watch. I've been assured that's how it works since Sept 11, 2001.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met?
When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?
After all, if/when it happens, it'll probably be on Trump's watch. I've been assured that's how it works since Sept 11, 2001.
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?
No. It's all on Putin's legacy. 100%
Until now Ukrainians only disliked Russians. They now hate them. Entirely Putin's doing. The pending armistice better be good because if it isn't, the Ukrainians will make the Provo IRA look like Boy Scouts.
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A long but very interesting piece on recent military and political events. The analysis on how European diplomacy is functioning is insightful.
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Angela, forgive me...
Putin never lies.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/28/angela-forgive-me-putin-denies-intentionally-scaring-merkel-with-dog-a87164 -
Both Timosjenko and Erdogan will be happy.
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Naval drone downs Russian helicopter:
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Wow....
Suicide drones? WTF are suicide drones? It’s a guided missile….
