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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #2329

    It is folly to believe Russia will negotiate in anything resembling good faith. He’d just like to win without further losses.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • jon-nycJ Online
      jon-nycJ Online
      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #2330

      1500 Russian losses per day. No wonder they’re bringing in Norks.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #2331

        Cloaking the Norks, another lesson learned from Stalin playbook on waging war:

        “History repeats itself in strange ways,” says Dr. Sayana Namsaraeva, a Buryat scholar and senior research associate at the Mongolia & Inner Asia Studies Unit at the University of Cambridge whose recent research work focuses on Buryat and other Soviet-Asian involvement in the 1950-1953 Korean War in which Buryats, Sakha, Tuvans and other Soviet Asians were deployed to fight for North Korea in the Korean War under the guise of Chinese volunteers.

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/14/putin-pulls-from-stalins-playbook-in-sending-north-koreans-disguised-as-buryats-to-ukraine-a86857

        Elbows up!

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #2332

          German Chancellor Schloz parlays over the phone with Putin:

          Later on Friday, the Kremlin confirmed that the phone call had taken place, describing it as “detailed and frank.” Putin was said to have repeated his claims that NATO was to blame for the war in Ukraine, adding that Russia “remains open to resuming negotiations that were interrupted by the Kyiv regime.”

          He was also said to have spelled out Russia’s “well-known” negotiating stance, including the country’s security interests, its current positions on the front lines and “most importantly, eliminating the root causes of the conflict.”

          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/15/germanys-scholz-speaks-with-putin-for-first-time-in-nearly-2-years-a87029

          Putin still plays the victim.

          Elbows up!

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          • W Offline
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            Wim
            wrote on last edited by
            #2333

            Moscow never lies

            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/12/the-kremlin-said-trump-putin-phone-call-never-happened-why-a86990

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #2334

              https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/trumps-victory-means-war-will-end-sooner-says-zelensky-v7ckmjw3t

              President Zelensky has said the war in Ukraine will “end sooner” once Donald Trump becomes US president than it otherwise would have.

              “It is certain that the war will end sooner with the policies of the team that will now lead the White House,” the Ukrainian leader said in an interview. “This is their approach, their promise to their citizens.”

              He added that Ukraine “must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means”.

              Zelensky said on Friday that he had a “constructive exchange” with Trump during their phone conversation after Trump’s election victory, although US legislation prevents them from meeting ahead of Trump’s inauguration in January.

              “I didn’t hear anything that goes against our position,” he told the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, adding that he would only talk directly with Trump and not through emissaries.

              “I, as the president of Ukraine, will only take seriously a conversation with the president of the United States of America, with all due respect to any entourage, to any people,” he said.

              Trump has suggested that he will halt US aid if Zelensky refuses to negotiate a ceasefire with the Kremlin.

              If the Russian president rejects any peace proposals, Trump has said he could instead ramp up weapons deliveries to Ukraine. He could also grant Ukraine permission to use long-range western missiles to hit targets deep inside Russia, something that the Biden administration has so far refused to sanction.

              Putin has previously said that peace is only possible if Kyiv formally renounces any plans to join Nato. He has also demanded Ukraine surrender four regions in the south and east of the country, as well as Crimea, which Zelensky has so far refused to contemplate.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #2335

                Groundwork is being laid for The Deal.

                On one hand, Ukraine will be under pressure to cut a deal or lose their major supplier of arms and ammunition.

                OTOH, Russia will be under pressure, that Ukraine may get more and better weapons, with carte blanche to use them as they will.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Jolly
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                  #2336

                  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • Tom-KT Offline
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                    Tom-K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2337

                    Back to the February 23, 2022 line and close the book on that one. Trump is going to make quick work of the negotiations and everybody's going to give a bit (or a lot.) It's a pointless war. It did isolate Russia and hurt it's economy for a long time to come and it strenthened NATO so that all turned out good but it cost a lot of money and a lot of lives. As to Ukraine in NATO, probably not.

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by George K
                      #2338

                      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

                      Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.

                      What Who changed POTATUS' mind?

                      Why now?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

                        Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.

                        What Who changed POTATUS' mind?

                        Why now?

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2339

                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

                        Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.

                        What Who changed POTATUS' mind?

                        Why now?

                        Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met? Think they had an agreement?

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

                          Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.

                          What Who changed POTATUS' mind?

                          Why now?

                          Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met? Think they had an agreement?

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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by George K
                          #2340

                          @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met?

                          When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?

                          After all, if/when it happens, it'll probably be on Trump's watch. I've been assured that's how it works since Sept 11, 2001.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met?

                            When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?

                            After all, if/when it happens, it'll probably be on Trump's watch. I've been assured that's how it works since Sept 11, 2001.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2341

                            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?

                            No. It's all on Putin's legacy. 100%

                            Until now Ukrainians only disliked Russians. They now hate them. Entirely Putin's doing. The pending armistice better be good because if it isn't, the Ukrainians will make the Provo IRA look like Boy Scouts.

                            Elbows up!

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2342

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2343

                                And Putin ratchets up...

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-says-ukraines-use-of-western-rockets-could-prompt-nuclear-response/ar-AA1ulqa3?ocid=BingNewsSerp

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • W Offline
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                                  Wim
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2344

                                  A long but very interesting piece on recent military and political events. The analysis on how European diplomacy is functioning is insightful.

                                  https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/42507

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2345

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2346

                                      Nice

                                      Next comes anti-spoofing, then anti-anti-spoofing, then anti-anti-anti-spoofing...

                                      Lots of fun for the guys who have these toys.

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                                      • W Offline
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                                        Wim
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2347

                                        Angela, forgive me...
                                        Putin never lies.
                                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/28/angela-forgive-me-putin-denies-intentionally-scaring-merkel-with-dog-a87164

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2348

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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