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  • W Offline
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    Wim
    wrote on last edited by
    #2333

    Moscow never lies

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/12/the-kremlin-said-trump-putin-phone-call-never-happened-why-a86990

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #2334

      https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/trumps-victory-means-war-will-end-sooner-says-zelensky-v7ckmjw3t

      President Zelensky has said the war in Ukraine will “end sooner” once Donald Trump becomes US president than it otherwise would have.

      “It is certain that the war will end sooner with the policies of the team that will now lead the White House,” the Ukrainian leader said in an interview. “This is their approach, their promise to their citizens.”

      He added that Ukraine “must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means”.

      Zelensky said on Friday that he had a “constructive exchange” with Trump during their phone conversation after Trump’s election victory, although US legislation prevents them from meeting ahead of Trump’s inauguration in January.

      “I didn’t hear anything that goes against our position,” he told the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, adding that he would only talk directly with Trump and not through emissaries.

      “I, as the president of Ukraine, will only take seriously a conversation with the president of the United States of America, with all due respect to any entourage, to any people,” he said.

      Trump has suggested that he will halt US aid if Zelensky refuses to negotiate a ceasefire with the Kremlin.

      If the Russian president rejects any peace proposals, Trump has said he could instead ramp up weapons deliveries to Ukraine. He could also grant Ukraine permission to use long-range western missiles to hit targets deep inside Russia, something that the Biden administration has so far refused to sanction.

      Putin has previously said that peace is only possible if Kyiv formally renounces any plans to join Nato. He has also demanded Ukraine surrender four regions in the south and east of the country, as well as Crimea, which Zelensky has so far refused to contemplate.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #2335

        Groundwork is being laid for The Deal.

        On one hand, Ukraine will be under pressure to cut a deal or lose their major supplier of arms and ammunition.

        OTOH, Russia will be under pressure, that Ukraine may get more and better weapons, with carte blanche to use them as they will.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #2336

          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Tom-K
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            #2337

            Back to the February 23, 2022 line and close the book on that one. Trump is going to make quick work of the negotiations and everybody's going to give a bit (or a lot.) It's a pointless war. It did isolate Russia and hurt it's economy for a long time to come and it strenthened NATO so that all turned out good but it cost a lot of money and a lot of lives. As to Ukraine in NATO, probably not.

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

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              George K
              wrote on last edited by George K
              #2338

              @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

              https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

              Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.

              What Who changed POTATUS' mind?

              Why now?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

                Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.

                What Who changed POTATUS' mind?

                Why now?

                JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #2339

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

                Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.

                What Who changed POTATUS' mind?

                Why now?

                Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met? Think they had an agreement?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

                  Not too long ago, Putin said that this is a declaration of war by the US.

                  What Who changed POTATUS' mind?

                  Why now?

                  Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met? Think they had an agreement?

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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by George K
                  #2340

                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met?

                  When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?

                  After all, if/when it happens, it'll probably be on Trump's watch. I've been assured that's how it works since Sept 11, 2001.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Notice that this is after Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump met?

                    When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?

                    After all, if/when it happens, it'll probably be on Trump's watch. I've been assured that's how it works since Sept 11, 2001.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2341

                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    When WWIII erupts, they can blame President-Elect Trump?

                    No. It's all on Putin's legacy. 100%

                    Until now Ukrainians only disliked Russians. They now hate them. Entirely Putin's doing. The pending armistice better be good because if it isn't, the Ukrainians will make the Provo IRA look like Boy Scouts.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2342

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2343

                        And Putin ratchets up...

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-says-ukraines-use-of-western-rockets-could-prompt-nuclear-response/ar-AA1ulqa3?ocid=BingNewsSerp

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • W Offline
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                          Wim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2344

                          A long but very interesting piece on recent military and political events. The analysis on how European diplomacy is functioning is insightful.

                          https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/42507

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2345

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Copper
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2346

                              Nice

                              Next comes anti-spoofing, then anti-anti-spoofing, then anti-anti-anti-spoofing...

                              Lots of fun for the guys who have these toys.

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                              • W Offline
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                                Wim
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2347

                                Angela, forgive me...
                                Putin never lies.
                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/28/angela-forgive-me-putin-denies-intentionally-scaring-merkel-with-dog-a87164

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2348

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • W Offline
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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2349

                                    Both Timosjenko and Erdogan will be happy.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2350

                                      Wow....

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2351

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/an-honourable-peace-is-within-ukraine-s-grasp/ar-AA1wf8Cc

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Wim
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2352

                                          Naval drone downs Russian helicopter:

                                          https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-downs-russian-helicopter-using-missile-equipped-naval-drone-for-the-first-time/

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