The Ukraine war thread

[Wim]

Too soon to tell. The frontline is more than just the Crimea.

[Mik]

I doubt liberation is all that near.

[Renauda]

Realistically, I believe Crimea was lost ten years ago when Putin undertook his first anschluss of sovereign Ukrainian territory. Back then it was a cheap buffet to graze and forage.

No longer the case.

[George K]

[Renauda]

Putin celebrates Navy Day:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-black-sea-defeats-get-flushed-down-vladimir-putins-memory-hole/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGUyIqq7O7lsJL8cCr_UJo6iPo6opzpC7bmlQX41dCVjCGgKAX9QcySXNb3IdivjEK119DnTsWjx1fhlWxrLk3IvL75Cz5vU_ghssZHAqGUeAp-

Photos:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/29/in-photos-russia-stages-showcase-naval-parade-a85861

[George K]

[Wim]

Interesting discussion. We'll see who got it right. https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08/07/forbes-analyst-and-israeli-expert-clash-over-ukrainian-incursion-into-russias-kursk-oblast/

[Jolly]

It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

I am sure the Orban in Hungary and Slovakia’s Pellegrini and Fico are not pleased with it. But what else can you expect from co-opted Kremlin friendly populist nationalists?

Neither supply much of anything in terms of military assistance to Kyiv. The good neighbours that do supply such as Poland, Romania, Lithuania and the remainder of European NATO membership, have no qualms about these incursions into Russia.

[Renauda]

Day three. Ukrainian forces appear to have control of Suzhda natural gas hub:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0ngzg9754o

[Mik]

There's some revulsion at an invading nation that targets civilians then cries no fair when you hit back.

[Renauda]

Russia revels in playing the sole and eternal victim.

[Mik]

Pretty wimpy for Viking remnants.

[Renauda]

The inferiority complex is what feeds the Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Nationality of the Russian mentality.

[George K]

[Mik]

Fuck ‘em.

[Jolly]

Well, maybe just the women...

[Renauda]

@George-K

They come across as incredulous as to what happened or is happening. That or the plea to Putin has been staged for domestic consumption; it will play well throughout Russia but especially so in rural areas. As if they had no idea as to why “foreign” troops (note at no time do they say Ukrainian troops) invaded their territory.

I suspect it was staged. A propaganda tool right out of the old Soviet playbook. The People’s earnest appeal to the Leader.

[George K]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

A propaganda tool right out of the old Soviet playbook. The People’s earnest appeal to the Leader.

More likely than not.

[Mik]

The answer to the why question is obvious in their appeal.