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  • W Offline
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    Wim
    wrote on last edited by
    #2233

    Interesting discussion. We'll see who got it right. https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08/07/forbes-analyst-and-israeli-expert-clash-over-ukrainian-incursion-into-russias-kursk-oblast/

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #2234

      It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2235

        @Jolly

        I am sure the Orban in Hungary and Slovakia’s Pellegrini and Fico are not pleased with it. But what else can you expect from co-opted Kremlin friendly populist nationalists?

        Neither supply much of anything in terms of military assistance to Kyiv. The good neighbours that do supply such as Poland, Romania, Lithuania and the remainder of European NATO membership, have no qualms about these incursions into Russia.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #2236

          Day three. Ukrainian forces appear to have control of Suzhda natural gas hub:

          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0ngzg9754o

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Away
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #2237

            There's some revulsion at an invading nation that targets civilians then cries no fair when you hit back.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #2238

              Russia revels in playing the sole and eternal victim.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #2239

                Pretty wimpy for Viking remnants.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #2240

                  The inferiority complex is what feeds the Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Nationality of the Russian mentality.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by George K
                    #2241

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2242

                      Fuck ‘em.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2243

                        Well, maybe just the women...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • George KG George K

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2244

                          @George-K

                          They come across as incredulous as to what happened or is happening. That or the plea to Putin has been staged for domestic consumption; it will play well throughout Russia but especially so in rural areas. As if they had no idea as to why “foreign” troops (note at no time do they say Ukrainian troops) invaded their territory.

                          I suspect it was staged. A propaganda tool right out of the old Soviet playbook. The People’s earnest appeal to the Leader.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            @George-K

                            They come across as incredulous as to what happened or is happening. That or the plea to Putin has been staged for domestic consumption; it will play well throughout Russia but especially so in rural areas. As if they had no idea as to why “foreign” troops (note at no time do they say Ukrainian troops) invaded their territory.

                            I suspect it was staged. A propaganda tool right out of the old Soviet playbook. The People’s earnest appeal to the Leader.

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2245

                            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            A propaganda tool right out of the old Soviet playbook. The People’s earnest appeal to the Leader.

                            More likely than not.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2246

                              The answer to the why question is obvious in their appeal.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #2247

                                Wonder if Orban and Fico will send military aid to assuage their concerns.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2248

                                  Second Russian helicopter brought down by a drone.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2249

                                    Don't take your eye off of the ball, though. Russia is still advancing. I'm guessing Ukraine's Kursk operation is meant to cut off some Russian supply lines and pull Russian troops back to defend those supply lines.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      Don't take your eye off of the ball, though. Russia is still advancing. I'm guessing Ukraine's Kursk operation is meant to cut off some Russian supply lines and pull Russian troops back to defend those supply lines.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2250

                                      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      I'm guessing Ukraine's Kursk operation is meant to cut off some Russian supply lines

                                      I was wondering what the motivation for an offensive was. What you say makes sense. Russia MUST defend its territory. Not doing so will lose a lot of juice for Vlad the Invader.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2251

                                        The incursion is having a desirable effect in Moscow:

                                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/08/09/putin-seethes-as-ukraines-shock-incursion-catches-leadership-by-surprise-a85970

                                        Elbows up!

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