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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #2220

    It's a good video.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2221

      Very. I've long wondered about the wisdom of relying on GPS.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #2222

        If Putin is willing to suffer the loss of equipment and human life, the Ukrainians are gong to be conquered.

        If the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon learn anything (and if history is a good teacher, they don't), fundamental changes need to be made in the U.S. military if we must fight a peer vs. peer war. Some lessons from war, and not just the Ukrainian War:

        1. Your enemy has technology, too. See the above video. Whatever you can do, they can counter, and vice-versa.
        2. With a few exceptions, Wunderwaffe do not win wars.
        3. In a static war of attrition, defense is less costly in terms of equipment and casualties than offense.
        4. Combined maneuver warfare does not work well without air parity, or better, air superiority.
        5. Quantity has a quality of its own.
        6. Modern combat is voracious in terms of munitions and equipment.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Mik

          Very. I've long wondered about the wisdom of relying on GPS.

          CopperC Offline
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          Copper
          wrote on last edited by Copper
          #2223

          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          relying on GPS

          The military has been testing GPS interference technology off the coast of North Carolina for at least 15 years that I know about.

          They still do it regularly. The FAA publishes notices to pilots letting them know when this testing is being done.

          I have no idea what they are actually doing, but they are working on it.

          https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/air-safety-institute/safety-notices/safety-notice-on-gps-interference#:~:text=GPS may be unreliable or,alert pilots to the tests.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #2224

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #2225

              Ukes took out some electronic warfare stations.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/major-blow-to-russia-ukraine-successfully-disables-vital-equipment/ss-BB1pINph?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=ac96c573fd1740dabe7e5e68f101c5cf&ei=24

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #2226

                .

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • W Offline
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                  Wim
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2227

                  Too soon to tell. The frontline is more than just the Crimea.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2228

                    I doubt liberation is all that near.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2229

                      Realistically, I believe Crimea was lost ten years ago when Putin undertook his first anschluss of sovereign Ukrainian territory. Back then it was a cheap buffet to graze and forage.

                      No longer the case.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2230

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2231

                          Putin celebrates Navy Day:

                          https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-black-sea-defeats-get-flushed-down-vladimir-putins-memory-hole/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGUyIqq7O7lsJL8cCr_UJo6iPo6opzpC7bmlQX41dCVjCGgKAX9QcySXNb3IdivjEK119DnTsWjx1fhlWxrLk3IvL75Cz5vU_ghssZHAqGUeAp-

                          Photos:

                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/29/in-photos-russia-stages-showcase-naval-parade-a85861

                          Elbows up!

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2232

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • W Offline
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                              Wim
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2233

                              Interesting discussion. We'll see who got it right. https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08/07/forbes-analyst-and-israeli-expert-clash-over-ukrainian-incursion-into-russias-kursk-oblast/

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2234

                                It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2235

                                  @Jolly

                                  I am sure the Orban in Hungary and Slovakia’s Pellegrini and Fico are not pleased with it. But what else can you expect from co-opted Kremlin friendly populist nationalists?

                                  Neither supply much of anything in terms of military assistance to Kyiv. The good neighbours that do supply such as Poland, Romania, Lithuania and the remainder of European NATO membership, have no qualms about these incursions into Russia.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2236

                                    Day three. Ukrainian forces appear to have control of Suzhda natural gas hub:

                                    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0ngzg9754o

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2237

                                      There's some revulsion at an invading nation that targets civilians then cries no fair when you hit back.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #2238

                                        Russia revels in playing the sole and eternal victim.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2239

                                          Pretty wimpy for Viking remnants.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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