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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #2229

    Realistically, I believe Crimea was lost ten years ago when Putin undertook his first anschluss of sovereign Ukrainian territory. Back then it was a cheap buffet to graze and forage.

    No longer the case.

    Elbows up!

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #2230

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2231

        Putin celebrates Navy Day:

        https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-black-sea-defeats-get-flushed-down-vladimir-putins-memory-hole/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGUyIqq7O7lsJL8cCr_UJo6iPo6opzpC7bmlQX41dCVjCGgKAX9QcySXNb3IdivjEK119DnTsWjx1fhlWxrLk3IvL75Cz5vU_ghssZHAqGUeAp-

        Photos:

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/29/in-photos-russia-stages-showcase-naval-parade-a85861

        Elbows up!

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #2232

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • W Offline
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            Wim
            wrote on last edited by
            #2233

            Interesting discussion. We'll see who got it right. https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08/07/forbes-analyst-and-israeli-expert-clash-over-ukrainian-incursion-into-russias-kursk-oblast/

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #2234

              It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2235

                @Jolly

                I am sure the Orban in Hungary and Slovakia’s Pellegrini and Fico are not pleased with it. But what else can you expect from co-opted Kremlin friendly populist nationalists?

                Neither supply much of anything in terms of military assistance to Kyiv. The good neighbours that do supply such as Poland, Romania, Lithuania and the remainder of European NATO membership, have no qualms about these incursions into Russia.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2236

                  Day three. Ukrainian forces appear to have control of Suzhda natural gas hub:

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0ngzg9754o

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2237

                    There's some revulsion at an invading nation that targets civilians then cries no fair when you hit back.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #2238

                      Russia revels in playing the sole and eternal victim.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2239

                        Pretty wimpy for Viking remnants.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2240

                          The inferiority complex is what feeds the Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Nationality of the Russian mentality.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by George K
                            #2241

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2242

                              Fuck ‘em.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2243

                                Well, maybe just the women...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • George KG George K

                                  RenaudaR Offline
                                  RenaudaR Offline
                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2244

                                  @George-K

                                  They come across as incredulous as to what happened or is happening. That or the plea to Putin has been staged for domestic consumption; it will play well throughout Russia but especially so in rural areas. As if they had no idea as to why “foreign” troops (note at no time do they say Ukrainian troops) invaded their territory.

                                  I suspect it was staged. A propaganda tool right out of the old Soviet playbook. The People’s earnest appeal to the Leader.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    @George-K

                                    They come across as incredulous as to what happened or is happening. That or the plea to Putin has been staged for domestic consumption; it will play well throughout Russia but especially so in rural areas. As if they had no idea as to why “foreign” troops (note at no time do they say Ukrainian troops) invaded their territory.

                                    I suspect it was staged. A propaganda tool right out of the old Soviet playbook. The People’s earnest appeal to the Leader.

                                    George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2245

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    A propaganda tool right out of the old Soviet playbook. The People’s earnest appeal to the Leader.

                                    More likely than not.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Away
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2246

                                      The answer to the why question is obvious in their appeal.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #2247

                                        Wonder if Orban and Fico will send military aid to assuage their concerns.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2248

                                          Second Russian helicopter brought down by a drone.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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