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  • MikM Mik

    Should have supplied them in 22.

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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #2190

    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Should have supplied them in 22.

    You are right.

    I'm not big on foreign wars, but if Ukraine needed the tools to stop Mr. Putin, they need the tools. Not in dribs and drabs, but in sufficient quantity to achieve the mission.

    The Biden Administration has been very careful to never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time, to make a distinctive difference.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Should have supplied them in 22.

      You are right.

      I'm not big on foreign wars, but if Ukraine needed the tools to stop Mr. Putin, they need the tools. Not in dribs and drabs, but in sufficient quantity to achieve the mission.

      The Biden Administration has been very careful to never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time, to make a distinctive difference.

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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #2191

      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

      never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time,

      Yeah, it's almost like he's a Russian agent. I wonder what dirt Putin has on him.

      Wait, once again, that's from the wrong year.

      Sorry.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Renauda
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        #2192

        The ambiguity and emptiness of Putin’s red lines in Ukraine:

        https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/fuzzy-red-lines-in-ukraine?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

        Elbows up!

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          Axtremus
          wrote on last edited by Axtremus
          #2193

          https://wapo.st/3Vll45U

          https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-zelenskyy-sign-us-ukraine-security-agreement-g7/story?id=111061390

          Biden, Zelensky to sign 10-year U.S.-Ukraine security deal at G-7 summit

          Supposedly the agreement "will commit Washington to supply Kyiv with a wide range of military assistance." But unlike NATO, it does not require the U.S. to respond if Ukraine is attacked.

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            #2194

            An interesting piece on the possibility of going nuclear.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-nuclear-arsenal-is-crumbling-ukraine-can-take-it-out-for-good/ar-BB1oe8Nv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=78d48b0c768a4563879c728536b1d3dc&ei=13

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Wim
              wrote on last edited by Wim
              #2195

              Russia hosts approx. 5900 nuclear arms. Assuming that a lot of them are out of use, Putin still has enough to make his threats believable.
              I think this article is a tad too optimistic.

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2196

                Putin offers compelling and generous terms:

                Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday demanded Ukraine effectively surrender to Moscow if it wants to open peace talks, drawing anger and rebukes from Kyiv and the West.

                In a combative speech in Moscow on the eve of a major Ukraine peace summit in Switzerland, Putin said Russia would halt its offensive only if Ukraine fully withdraws its troops from the east and south and drops its bid for NATO membership.

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/14/putin-says-ukraine-must-withdraw-troops-to-start-peace-talks-a85413

                I am confident that Putin is just emulating Trump and spitballing riffs that happen to pop into his mind.

                Elbows up!

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2197

                  "We'll stop shooting at you (for now) if you give us everything we've taken."

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Renauda
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                    #2198

                    Something like that. Most Christian of Putin to be so magnanimous about it.

                    Elbows up!

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                      Wim
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                      #2199

                      Another headache for Putin:
                      https://www.kyivpost.com/post/34739

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by George K
                        #2200

                        My Great Grandfather was governor of Tambov…before 1917.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Wim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2201

                          @George: was that Luzhenovsky or his successor?

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2202

                            Pavel Kandidov - here he is in 1905.

                            Pavel and Nina, Tambov 1905.jpg

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2203

                              That's some really nice log work...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Pavel was the governor of the Tambov oblast. I’m told that he was friends with Leo Tolstoy. However, I don’t know anything beyond that.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Wim
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                                  #2205

                                  Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

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                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/guerrillas-halt-north-korean-ammunition-trains-near-russia-s-yekaterinburg/ar-BB1psCx7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=73fe1082c89444a0edc022e562b85547&ei=16

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • W Wim

                                      Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2207

                                      @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      Here you go: https://nkvd.tomsk.ru/researches/passional/kandidov-pavel-petrovich/

                                      They do seem to eat their young, these communists.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #2208

                                        Once again, the Kremlin maintains that is Ukraine’s fault:

                                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/08/west-condemns-russian-strike-on-kyiv-childrens-hospital-a85644

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          Once again, the Kremlin maintains that is Ukraine’s fault:

                                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/08/west-condemns-russian-strike-on-kyiv-childrens-hospital-a85644

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2209

                                          @Renauda are those “River to the Sea” assholes coming the bombing of a children’s hospital?

                                          No?

                                          Didn’t think so.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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