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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @George-K

    More:

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/belgorod-raid-sparks-border-alarm-for-russia-ahead-of-ukrainian-offensive/

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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #1683

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/belgorod-raid-sparks-border-alarm-for-russia-ahead-of-ukrainian-offensive/

    Interesting article. Basically re-iterates what the blogger said - this will divert Russian troops to a defensive posture, further impairing their effectiveness elsewhere. "Whack-a-Mole," indeed.

    Also, I don't think one should forget about the psychological impact of an attack on Russian soil - and not just by haphazard drone attacks.

    ETA: Also, looking at a map, it appears that Bolgorad is only about 20 km from the Ukraine border. Makes it a nice, easy-to-reach target.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #1684

      Worked for D-Day. Why not here?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #1685

        Indeed, it appears to be a special military operation of some sort. It is certainly ramping up Russian paranoia and hysteria:

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65696731

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/23/how-are-pro-kremlin-figures-responding-to-the-belgorod-incursion-a81246

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #1686

          It's much easier to ignore goings on in someone else's yard.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Wim
            wrote on last edited by
            #1687

            Putin and maps...

            https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html

            Also on CNN via Youtube

            Dumb-dumber-(fill in whatever suits you) 🥴

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1688

              I'm thinking that's not going to pluck anyone's emotional strings.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #1689

                @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html

                Wanna go back a few centuries? Have at it.

                alt text

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1690

                  If Putin wants to look at old maps he should have a look at one or two from more recent history that would show his Kaliningrad enclave belonging to the Germany. It was called East Prussia.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1691

                    Putin’s expertise in historical geography is leading to mirthful memes:

                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/24/putins-antique-map-stunt-stirs-meme-storm-a81260

                    Elbows up!

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1692

                      I still maintain that Ragnar Lothbrok has a greater claim on Rus than Putin has on Ukraine.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #1693

                        Vilnius and Warsaw have the strongest claims after the Varangians. Prior to that for all we know it could have been the Huns and Khazars.

                        Putin’s claim is a best tenuous, but then so was Henry Tudor’s claim to the English throne.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Away
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1694

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainians-claim-to-have-destroyed-large-russian-warship-in-berdiansk/ar-AA1bHpzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75e0c85711214e11bcb276bcae939c0b&ei=21

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1695

                            Storm Shadow...

                            https://eurasiantimes.com/its-official-ukrainian-su-24-fencer-fighter-jets-are-launchin/

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1696

                              Russia's 'conditions for peace.'


                              The deputy to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said “Ukraine must”:

                              • Refuse to join NATO and the EU
                              • Commit to a ‘neutral, non-aligned status’
                              • End the resistance of its Armed Forces
                              • Cease the supply of Western weapons
                              • Recognize the ‘new territorial realities’ (Moscow’s euphemism for the illegal occupation of Ukrainian lands)
                              • Make Russian a state language ‘at the legislative level’

                              He also characterized Russia’s genocidal war of aggression against Ukraine as “the realization of the right of peoples to self-determination”, co-opting decolonialist language from the United Nations.

                              Read also: Russia abandons several villages in Belgorod Oblast, Russian partisans now fighting in Moscow Oblast – HUR
                              While these positions are obviously unacceptable to Ukraine – even before the thousands of war crimes Russia has committed against Ukrainians – Galuzin listed them as conditions “for achieving a comprehensive, just, and lasting peace.”

                              Galuzin claimed that the Kremlin has not changed the initial goals of its criminal war, falsely labeling them as "protecting the residents of Donbas, demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine, and eliminating threats to Russia's security that originate from its territory."

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #1697

                                All Lavrov needed to say was there was one condition. Unconditional surrender of Ukrainian sovereignty to the Russian Federation.

                                Long winded, bastard.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1698

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1699

                                    I suspect Putin has Lukashenko's successor picked.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1700

                                      I wonder if he's been "Litvinenko'ed".

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        I wonder if he's been "Litvinenko'ed".

                                        RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1701

                                        @George-K

                                        Or maybe Putinolini made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1702

                                          Drones hit Moscow buildings


                                          Russia is blaming Ukraine for launching a drone attack on Moscow early Tuesday which reportedly left two people injured and several buildings damaged, a rare incident in the Russian capital after months of war.

                                          While incidents in Moscow are uncommon, residents in Kyiv have faced 17 airstrikes this month. There was a Russian bombardment of the Ukrainian capital overnight, which officials said killed at least one person.

                                          At least three residential buildings in Moscow were damaged by drones on Tuesday, Russian state news agency RIA Novosti reported, citing emergency services and residents.

                                          Moscow mayor Sergei Sobyanin said there were no serious injuries reported from the aerial assault, which caused “minor damage” and emergency services were on the scene.

                                          Ukraine has denied direct involvement with Tuesday’s drone attack on Moscow.

                                          There have been a handful of incidents within Russian territory since Moscow launched a full-scale invasion of its neighbor last February, with most of the fighting taking place inside Ukraine.

                                          Earlier this month, two unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) were destroyed over the Kremlin in a murky attack that Russia blamed on Kyiv and claimed was an attempt to target Russian President Vladimir Putin. Kyiv forcefully denied the allegation.

                                          On Tuesday, Russia’s Ministry of Defense said Kyiv was also at fault for what it called a “terrorist attack” that involved eight aircraft-type UAVs which were shot down or diverted earlier in the morning.

                                          “All enemy UAVs were destroyed,” the defense ministry said in a statement. “Three of them were suppressed by electronic warfare, lost control and deviated from their intended targets.

                                          “Another five UAVs were shot down by the Pantsir-S surface-to-air missile system in the Moscow region,” it added.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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