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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1677

    An exercise in futility

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/this-map-shows-how-little-ground-russian-forces-gained-over-5-months-at-a-cost-of-100-000-dead-and-wounded/ar-AA1byQMT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b5575e05c2e041a0b750442dc4678c51&ei=35

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    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      An exercise in futility

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/this-map-shows-how-little-ground-russian-forces-gained-over-5-months-at-a-cost-of-100-000-dead-and-wounded/ar-AA1byQMT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b5575e05c2e041a0b750442dc4678c51&ei=35

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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1678

      @Mik I wonder what Russian casualties have been in the same time period.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @Mik I wonder what Russian casualties have been in the same time period.

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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #1679

        @George-K Article says US estimates 100K Russian casualties, dead and wounded.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by Mik
          #1680

          Here's where Ukraine is aiming the offensive. Makes perfect sense. All are longer supply lines for the Russians.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/conditions-created-for-offensive-as-ukraine-engage-in-large-scale-operation-in-three-identified-directions/ar-AA1bAaCR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=68287780197248de9a78d7164a03a5c6&ei=17

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #1681

            "Incursions" into Bolgorad.

            Interesting. Looks like Russian territory is under attack.

            https://www.wsj.com/articles/fighting-in-russian-border-region-following-incursion-enters-second-day-379b30f9

            Russian forces are still fighting for control of parts of the border region of Belgorod, the region’s governor said Tuesday, warning residents of a handful of border villages not to return to their houses the day after authorities there blamed Ukraine for the war’s largest incursion into Russian territory.

            Belgorod Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov warned residents not to panic, after some border areas had been evacuated the previous day, but said Russia’s military was still concluding what President Vladimir Putin labeled an antiterrorist operation to push the combatants out of Russia. Early on Tuesday afternoon, Russia’s Defense Ministry said forces had encircled the fighters and destroyed the group without giving more details. The ministry said it killed 70 people in the operation. The information couldn’t be independently confirmed.

            “The cleanup operation by the defense ministry and security structures is continuing,” Gladkov said in a video on his Telegram channel. “Right now it’s not worth returning to your houses.”

            Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, known as HUR, identified the troops as two volunteer groups of Russian citizens who work closely with HUR and said the incident was a consequence of the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine.

            The governor of Russia’s Belgorod region said Tuesday that Russian forces were still fighting for control of parts of the region amid an incursion by Ukrainian-backed troops. Photo: Russian Defense Ministry/Reuters
            Russian military correspondents said battles were continuing well into the afternoon on Tuesday, with Russian forces trying to stop two units of combatant reinforcements from joining up with the groups inside Russia.

            The Russian Defense Ministry said it had launched attacks against the combatants using artillery and air power. Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the groups had been encircled and at least 70 members had been killed.

            The extent of the original incursion and the affiliations of the combatants couldn’t be confirmed independently but the incident has exposed embarrassing weaknesses around Russia’s border areas as Moscow’s troops prepare for an expected Ukrainian offensive.

            As one blogger comments, "... the incursion looked like a propaganda stunt — and in some ways, is sure is. But it’s also turned into an aggravating game of Whack-a-Mole for Moscow."

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              "Incursions" into Bolgorad.

              Interesting. Looks like Russian territory is under attack.

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/fighting-in-russian-border-region-following-incursion-enters-second-day-379b30f9

              Russian forces are still fighting for control of parts of the border region of Belgorod, the region’s governor said Tuesday, warning residents of a handful of border villages not to return to their houses the day after authorities there blamed Ukraine for the war’s largest incursion into Russian territory.

              Belgorod Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov warned residents not to panic, after some border areas had been evacuated the previous day, but said Russia’s military was still concluding what President Vladimir Putin labeled an antiterrorist operation to push the combatants out of Russia. Early on Tuesday afternoon, Russia’s Defense Ministry said forces had encircled the fighters and destroyed the group without giving more details. The ministry said it killed 70 people in the operation. The information couldn’t be independently confirmed.

              “The cleanup operation by the defense ministry and security structures is continuing,” Gladkov said in a video on his Telegram channel. “Right now it’s not worth returning to your houses.”

              Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, known as HUR, identified the troops as two volunteer groups of Russian citizens who work closely with HUR and said the incident was a consequence of the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine.

              The governor of Russia’s Belgorod region said Tuesday that Russian forces were still fighting for control of parts of the region amid an incursion by Ukrainian-backed troops. Photo: Russian Defense Ministry/Reuters
              Russian military correspondents said battles were continuing well into the afternoon on Tuesday, with Russian forces trying to stop two units of combatant reinforcements from joining up with the groups inside Russia.

              The Russian Defense Ministry said it had launched attacks against the combatants using artillery and air power. Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the groups had been encircled and at least 70 members had been killed.

              The extent of the original incursion and the affiliations of the combatants couldn’t be confirmed independently but the incident has exposed embarrassing weaknesses around Russia’s border areas as Moscow’s troops prepare for an expected Ukrainian offensive.

              As one blogger comments, "... the incursion looked like a propaganda stunt — and in some ways, is sure is. But it’s also turned into an aggravating game of Whack-a-Mole for Moscow."

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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #1682

              @George-K

              More:

              https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/belgorod-raid-sparks-border-alarm-for-russia-ahead-of-ukrainian-offensive/

              Elbows up!

              George KG 1 Reply Last reply
              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @George-K

                More:

                https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/belgorod-raid-sparks-border-alarm-for-russia-ahead-of-ukrainian-offensive/

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                George K
                wrote on last edited by George K
                #1683

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/belgorod-raid-sparks-border-alarm-for-russia-ahead-of-ukrainian-offensive/

                Interesting article. Basically re-iterates what the blogger said - this will divert Russian troops to a defensive posture, further impairing their effectiveness elsewhere. "Whack-a-Mole," indeed.

                Also, I don't think one should forget about the psychological impact of an attack on Russian soil - and not just by haphazard drone attacks.

                ETA: Also, looking at a map, it appears that Bolgorad is only about 20 km from the Ukraine border. Makes it a nice, easy-to-reach target.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1684

                  Worked for D-Day. Why not here?

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1685

                    Indeed, it appears to be a special military operation of some sort. It is certainly ramping up Russian paranoia and hysteria:

                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65696731

                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/23/how-are-pro-kremlin-figures-responding-to-the-belgorod-incursion-a81246

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1686

                      It's much easier to ignore goings on in someone else's yard.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • W Offline
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                        Wim
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1687

                        Putin and maps...

                        https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html

                        Also on CNN via Youtube

                        Dumb-dumber-(fill in whatever suits you) 🥴

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1688

                          I'm thinking that's not going to pluck anyone's emotional strings.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1689

                            @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html

                            Wanna go back a few centuries? Have at it.

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1690

                              If Putin wants to look at old maps he should have a look at one or two from more recent history that would show his Kaliningrad enclave belonging to the Germany. It was called East Prussia.

                              Elbows up!

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1691

                                Putin’s expertise in historical geography is leading to mirthful memes:

                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/24/putins-antique-map-stunt-stirs-meme-storm-a81260

                                Elbows up!

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1692

                                  I still maintain that Ragnar Lothbrok has a greater claim on Rus than Putin has on Ukraine.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #1693

                                    Vilnius and Warsaw have the strongest claims after the Varangians. Prior to that for all we know it could have been the Huns and Khazars.

                                    Putin’s claim is a best tenuous, but then so was Henry Tudor’s claim to the English throne.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1694

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainians-claim-to-have-destroyed-large-russian-warship-in-berdiansk/ar-AA1bHpzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75e0c85711214e11bcb276bcae939c0b&ei=21

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1695

                                        Storm Shadow...

                                        https://eurasiantimes.com/its-official-ukrainian-su-24-fencer-fighter-jets-are-launchin/

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1696

                                          Russia's 'conditions for peace.'


                                          The deputy to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said “Ukraine must”:

                                          • Refuse to join NATO and the EU
                                          • Commit to a ‘neutral, non-aligned status’
                                          • End the resistance of its Armed Forces
                                          • Cease the supply of Western weapons
                                          • Recognize the ‘new territorial realities’ (Moscow’s euphemism for the illegal occupation of Ukrainian lands)
                                          • Make Russian a state language ‘at the legislative level’

                                          He also characterized Russia’s genocidal war of aggression against Ukraine as “the realization of the right of peoples to self-determination”, co-opting decolonialist language from the United Nations.

                                          Read also: Russia abandons several villages in Belgorod Oblast, Russian partisans now fighting in Moscow Oblast – HUR
                                          While these positions are obviously unacceptable to Ukraine – even before the thousands of war crimes Russia has committed against Ukrainians – Galuzin listed them as conditions “for achieving a comprehensive, just, and lasting peace.”

                                          Galuzin claimed that the Kremlin has not changed the initial goals of its criminal war, falsely labeling them as "protecting the residents of Donbas, demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine, and eliminating threats to Russia's security that originate from its territory."

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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