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    George K
    wrote on 24 May 2023, 19:43 last edited by
    #1689

    @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

    https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html

    Wanna go back a few centuries? Have at it.

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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Renauda
      wrote on 24 May 2023, 20:51 last edited by
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      If Putin wants to look at old maps he should have a look at one or two from more recent history that would show his Kaliningrad enclave belonging to the Germany. It was called East Prussia.

      Elbows up!

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        Renauda
        wrote on 25 May 2023, 14:35 last edited by
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        Putin’s expertise in historical geography is leading to mirthful memes:

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/24/putins-antique-map-stunt-stirs-meme-storm-a81260

        Elbows up!

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          George K
          wrote on 25 May 2023, 17:07 last edited by
          #1692

          I still maintain that Ragnar Lothbrok has a greater claim on Rus than Putin has on Ukraine.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Renauda
            wrote on 26 May 2023, 01:23 last edited by Renauda
            #1693

            Vilnius and Warsaw have the strongest claims after the Varangians. Prior to that for all we know it could have been the Huns and Khazars.

            Putin’s claim is a best tenuous, but then so was Henry Tudor’s claim to the English throne.

            Elbows up!

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              Mik
              wrote on 26 May 2023, 11:47 last edited by
              #1694

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainians-claim-to-have-destroyed-large-russian-warship-in-berdiansk/ar-AA1bHpzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75e0c85711214e11bcb276bcae939c0b&ei=21

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Jolly
                wrote on 27 May 2023, 02:14 last edited by
                #1695

                Storm Shadow...

                https://eurasiantimes.com/its-official-ukrainian-su-24-fencer-fighter-jets-are-launchin/

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  George K
                  wrote on 27 May 2023, 21:33 last edited by
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                  Russia's 'conditions for peace.'


                  The deputy to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said “Ukraine must”:

                  • Refuse to join NATO and the EU
                  • Commit to a ‘neutral, non-aligned status’
                  • End the resistance of its Armed Forces
                  • Cease the supply of Western weapons
                  • Recognize the ‘new territorial realities’ (Moscow’s euphemism for the illegal occupation of Ukrainian lands)
                  • Make Russian a state language ‘at the legislative level’

                  He also characterized Russia’s genocidal war of aggression against Ukraine as “the realization of the right of peoples to self-determination”, co-opting decolonialist language from the United Nations.

                  Read also: Russia abandons several villages in Belgorod Oblast, Russian partisans now fighting in Moscow Oblast – HUR
                  While these positions are obviously unacceptable to Ukraine – even before the thousands of war crimes Russia has committed against Ukrainians – Galuzin listed them as conditions “for achieving a comprehensive, just, and lasting peace.”

                  Galuzin claimed that the Kremlin has not changed the initial goals of its criminal war, falsely labeling them as "protecting the residents of Donbas, demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine, and eliminating threats to Russia's security that originate from its territory."

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 28 May 2023, 04:29 last edited by Renauda
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                    All Lavrov needed to say was there was one condition. Unconditional surrender of Ukrainian sovereignty to the Russian Federation.

                    Long winded, bastard.

                    Elbows up!

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                      George K
                      wrote on 28 May 2023, 12:16 last edited by
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Mik
                        wrote on 28 May 2023, 12:44 last edited by
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                        I suspect Putin has Lukashenko's successor picked.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          George K
                          wrote on 28 May 2023, 13:03 last edited by
                          #1700

                          I wonder if he's been "Litvinenko'ed".

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            28 May 2023, 13:03

                            I wonder if he's been "Litvinenko'ed".

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 28 May 2023, 21:19 last edited by
                            #1701

                            @George-K

                            Or maybe Putinolini made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.

                            Elbows up!

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                              George K
                              wrote on 30 May 2023, 11:18 last edited by
                              #1702

                              Drones hit Moscow buildings


                              Russia is blaming Ukraine for launching a drone attack on Moscow early Tuesday which reportedly left two people injured and several buildings damaged, a rare incident in the Russian capital after months of war.

                              While incidents in Moscow are uncommon, residents in Kyiv have faced 17 airstrikes this month. There was a Russian bombardment of the Ukrainian capital overnight, which officials said killed at least one person.

                              At least three residential buildings in Moscow were damaged by drones on Tuesday, Russian state news agency RIA Novosti reported, citing emergency services and residents.

                              Moscow mayor Sergei Sobyanin said there were no serious injuries reported from the aerial assault, which caused “minor damage” and emergency services were on the scene.

                              Ukraine has denied direct involvement with Tuesday’s drone attack on Moscow.

                              There have been a handful of incidents within Russian territory since Moscow launched a full-scale invasion of its neighbor last February, with most of the fighting taking place inside Ukraine.

                              Earlier this month, two unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) were destroyed over the Kremlin in a murky attack that Russia blamed on Kyiv and claimed was an attempt to target Russian President Vladimir Putin. Kyiv forcefully denied the allegation.

                              On Tuesday, Russia’s Ministry of Defense said Kyiv was also at fault for what it called a “terrorist attack” that involved eight aircraft-type UAVs which were shot down or diverted earlier in the morning.

                              “All enemy UAVs were destroyed,” the defense ministry said in a statement. “Three of them were suppressed by electronic warfare, lost control and deviated from their intended targets.

                              “Another five UAVs were shot down by the Pantsir-S surface-to-air missile system in the Moscow region,” it added.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                30 May 2023, 11:18

                                Drones hit Moscow buildings


                                Russia is blaming Ukraine for launching a drone attack on Moscow early Tuesday which reportedly left two people injured and several buildings damaged, a rare incident in the Russian capital after months of war.

                                While incidents in Moscow are uncommon, residents in Kyiv have faced 17 airstrikes this month. There was a Russian bombardment of the Ukrainian capital overnight, which officials said killed at least one person.

                                At least three residential buildings in Moscow were damaged by drones on Tuesday, Russian state news agency RIA Novosti reported, citing emergency services and residents.

                                Moscow mayor Sergei Sobyanin said there were no serious injuries reported from the aerial assault, which caused “minor damage” and emergency services were on the scene.

                                Ukraine has denied direct involvement with Tuesday’s drone attack on Moscow.

                                There have been a handful of incidents within Russian territory since Moscow launched a full-scale invasion of its neighbor last February, with most of the fighting taking place inside Ukraine.

                                Earlier this month, two unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) were destroyed over the Kremlin in a murky attack that Russia blamed on Kyiv and claimed was an attempt to target Russian President Vladimir Putin. Kyiv forcefully denied the allegation.

                                On Tuesday, Russia’s Ministry of Defense said Kyiv was also at fault for what it called a “terrorist attack” that involved eight aircraft-type UAVs which were shot down or diverted earlier in the morning.

                                “All enemy UAVs were destroyed,” the defense ministry said in a statement. “Three of them were suppressed by electronic warfare, lost control and deviated from their intended targets.

                                “Another five UAVs were shot down by the Pantsir-S surface-to-air missile system in the Moscow region,” it added.

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 30 May 2023, 14:45 last edited by
                                #1703

                                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Ukraine has denied direct involvement

                                It was probably the same people who masterminded the Nord Stream pipeline affair.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 31 May 2023, 01:09 last edited by George K
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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 31 May 2023, 11:41 last edited by
                                    #1705

                                    Drones attack Russian oil refineries

                                    Drone attacks on Russian soil continued into their second day, with reported strikes on two oil refineries roughly 50 miles from Russia’s highly important Black Sea oil export terminals, local authorities said.

                                    The strikes come just a day after drone attacks in Moscow that damaged buildings and prompted the Kremlin to say it reserves the right to take “severe measures” in response.

                                    Meanwhile, several people have been killed in shelling in the central and eastern Ukrainian regions of Dnipropetrovsk and Russian-occupied Luhansk, according to local offici

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 31 May 2023, 12:46 last edited by
                                      #1706

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 4 Jun 2023, 20:45 last edited by
                                        #1707

                                        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1665377461566160898.html

                                        Mikhail Khodaryonok was one of the few Russian state media voices who warned about the difficulties of invading Ukraine before February 2022

                                        Here's what he has to say now /1

                                        Khodaryonok admits that Russia lacks the resources to defend Belgorod, and highlights how Belgorod officials have attacked the Russian Defence Ministry on this

                                        Khodaryonok calls for additional fortifications in Grayvoron and Shebekino /2

                                        Khodaryonok wants air power and artillery to be taken to defend the Russia-Ukraine border. This is how serious the threat is

                                        He says they need to be either taken from frontline areas like Kherson, Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia or from the reserves of the Russian military /3

                                        Khodaryonok warns that Ukraine will carry out Shebekino-style incursions in other regions of Russia to stretch their forces across a 1,500km

                                        These operations will be followed by a serious Ukrainian counter-offensive /4

                                        Khodaryonok's commentary spurred extreme reactions on Russian state TV

                                        Alexander Shpakovsky called for an end to the SVO and the start of the Great Patriotic War where all Russians need to participate

                                        The sense of alarm is real after the Belgorod attack /END

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Wim
                                          wrote on 5 Jun 2023, 19:51 last edited by
                                          #1708

                                          This looks serious:

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/ukrainian-troops-launch-attacks-along-donetsk-frontline

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