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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Yes, but what it does give them, is a victory, of which they have had very few of late.

    It also puts the Russians into artillery range of two larger, more industrialized cities.

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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #1674

    @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

    It also puts the Russians into artillery range of two larger, more industrialized cities.

    "If the enemy is in range, so are you."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Renauda
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      #1675

      Prigozhin and the Kremlin can say what they want and, as the saying in Russian goes, try to make candy out of a turd.

      My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        Prigozhin and the Kremlin can say what they want and, as the saying in Russian goes, try to make candy out of a turd.

        My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.

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        George K
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        #1676

        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
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          #1677

          An exercise in futility

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/this-map-shows-how-little-ground-russian-forces-gained-over-5-months-at-a-cost-of-100-000-dead-and-wounded/ar-AA1byQMT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b5575e05c2e041a0b750442dc4678c51&ei=35

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          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            An exercise in futility

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/this-map-shows-how-little-ground-russian-forces-gained-over-5-months-at-a-cost-of-100-000-dead-and-wounded/ar-AA1byQMT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b5575e05c2e041a0b750442dc4678c51&ei=35

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            George K
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            #1678

            @Mik I wonder what Russian casualties have been in the same time period.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              @Mik I wonder what Russian casualties have been in the same time period.

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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1679

              @George-K Article says US estimates 100K Russian casualties, dead and wounded.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by Mik
                #1680

                Here's where Ukraine is aiming the offensive. Makes perfect sense. All are longer supply lines for the Russians.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/conditions-created-for-offensive-as-ukraine-engage-in-large-scale-operation-in-three-identified-directions/ar-AA1bAaCR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=68287780197248de9a78d7164a03a5c6&ei=17

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  George K
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                  "Incursions" into Bolgorad.

                  Interesting. Looks like Russian territory is under attack.

                  https://www.wsj.com/articles/fighting-in-russian-border-region-following-incursion-enters-second-day-379b30f9

                  Russian forces are still fighting for control of parts of the border region of Belgorod, the region’s governor said Tuesday, warning residents of a handful of border villages not to return to their houses the day after authorities there blamed Ukraine for the war’s largest incursion into Russian territory.

                  Belgorod Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov warned residents not to panic, after some border areas had been evacuated the previous day, but said Russia’s military was still concluding what President Vladimir Putin labeled an antiterrorist operation to push the combatants out of Russia. Early on Tuesday afternoon, Russia’s Defense Ministry said forces had encircled the fighters and destroyed the group without giving more details. The ministry said it killed 70 people in the operation. The information couldn’t be independently confirmed.

                  “The cleanup operation by the defense ministry and security structures is continuing,” Gladkov said in a video on his Telegram channel. “Right now it’s not worth returning to your houses.”

                  Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, known as HUR, identified the troops as two volunteer groups of Russian citizens who work closely with HUR and said the incident was a consequence of the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine.

                  The governor of Russia’s Belgorod region said Tuesday that Russian forces were still fighting for control of parts of the region amid an incursion by Ukrainian-backed troops. Photo: Russian Defense Ministry/Reuters
                  Russian military correspondents said battles were continuing well into the afternoon on Tuesday, with Russian forces trying to stop two units of combatant reinforcements from joining up with the groups inside Russia.

                  The Russian Defense Ministry said it had launched attacks against the combatants using artillery and air power. Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the groups had been encircled and at least 70 members had been killed.

                  The extent of the original incursion and the affiliations of the combatants couldn’t be confirmed independently but the incident has exposed embarrassing weaknesses around Russia’s border areas as Moscow’s troops prepare for an expected Ukrainian offensive.

                  As one blogger comments, "... the incursion looked like a propaganda stunt — and in some ways, is sure is. But it’s also turned into an aggravating game of Whack-a-Mole for Moscow."

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    "Incursions" into Bolgorad.

                    Interesting. Looks like Russian territory is under attack.

                    https://www.wsj.com/articles/fighting-in-russian-border-region-following-incursion-enters-second-day-379b30f9

                    Russian forces are still fighting for control of parts of the border region of Belgorod, the region’s governor said Tuesday, warning residents of a handful of border villages not to return to their houses the day after authorities there blamed Ukraine for the war’s largest incursion into Russian territory.

                    Belgorod Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov warned residents not to panic, after some border areas had been evacuated the previous day, but said Russia’s military was still concluding what President Vladimir Putin labeled an antiterrorist operation to push the combatants out of Russia. Early on Tuesday afternoon, Russia’s Defense Ministry said forces had encircled the fighters and destroyed the group without giving more details. The ministry said it killed 70 people in the operation. The information couldn’t be independently confirmed.

                    “The cleanup operation by the defense ministry and security structures is continuing,” Gladkov said in a video on his Telegram channel. “Right now it’s not worth returning to your houses.”

                    Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, known as HUR, identified the troops as two volunteer groups of Russian citizens who work closely with HUR and said the incident was a consequence of the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine.

                    The governor of Russia’s Belgorod region said Tuesday that Russian forces were still fighting for control of parts of the region amid an incursion by Ukrainian-backed troops. Photo: Russian Defense Ministry/Reuters
                    Russian military correspondents said battles were continuing well into the afternoon on Tuesday, with Russian forces trying to stop two units of combatant reinforcements from joining up with the groups inside Russia.

                    The Russian Defense Ministry said it had launched attacks against the combatants using artillery and air power. Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the groups had been encircled and at least 70 members had been killed.

                    The extent of the original incursion and the affiliations of the combatants couldn’t be confirmed independently but the incident has exposed embarrassing weaknesses around Russia’s border areas as Moscow’s troops prepare for an expected Ukrainian offensive.

                    As one blogger comments, "... the incursion looked like a propaganda stunt — and in some ways, is sure is. But it’s also turned into an aggravating game of Whack-a-Mole for Moscow."

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #1682

                    @George-K

                    More:

                    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/belgorod-raid-sparks-border-alarm-for-russia-ahead-of-ukrainian-offensive/

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      @George-K

                      More:

                      https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/belgorod-raid-sparks-border-alarm-for-russia-ahead-of-ukrainian-offensive/

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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by George K
                      #1683

                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/belgorod-raid-sparks-border-alarm-for-russia-ahead-of-ukrainian-offensive/

                      Interesting article. Basically re-iterates what the blogger said - this will divert Russian troops to a defensive posture, further impairing their effectiveness elsewhere. "Whack-a-Mole," indeed.

                      Also, I don't think one should forget about the psychological impact of an attack on Russian soil - and not just by haphazard drone attacks.

                      ETA: Also, looking at a map, it appears that Bolgorad is only about 20 km from the Ukraine border. Makes it a nice, easy-to-reach target.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1684

                        Worked for D-Day. Why not here?

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1685

                          Indeed, it appears to be a special military operation of some sort. It is certainly ramping up Russian paranoia and hysteria:

                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65696731

                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/23/how-are-pro-kremlin-figures-responding-to-the-belgorod-incursion-a81246

                          Elbows up!

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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1686

                            It's much easier to ignore goings on in someone else's yard.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Wim
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                              #1687

                              Putin and maps...

                              https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html

                              Also on CNN via Youtube

                              Dumb-dumber-(fill in whatever suits you) 🥴

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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1688

                                I'm thinking that's not going to pluck anyone's emotional strings.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  George K
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                                  #1689

                                  @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html

                                  Wanna go back a few centuries? Have at it.

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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1690

                                    If Putin wants to look at old maps he should have a look at one or two from more recent history that would show his Kaliningrad enclave belonging to the Germany. It was called East Prussia.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1691

                                      Putin’s expertise in historical geography is leading to mirthful memes:

                                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/24/putins-antique-map-stunt-stirs-meme-storm-a81260

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        George K
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                                        #1692

                                        I still maintain that Ragnar Lothbrok has a greater claim on Rus than Putin has on Ukraine.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #1693

                                          Vilnius and Warsaw have the strongest claims after the Varangians. Prior to that for all we know it could have been the Huns and Khazars.

                                          Putin’s claim is a best tenuous, but then so was Henry Tudor’s claim to the English throne.

                                          Elbows up!

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