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    Mik
    wrote on 14 Jan 2023, 22:16 last edited by
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    Everybody likes a little beaver.

    Well, maybe not Russians.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Mik
      wrote on 16 Jan 2023, 15:45 last edited by
      #1352

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/testimony-of-a-russian-deserter-if-putin-dies-tomorrow-the-war-is-over/ar-AA16oQSA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=23205568af604347a1aacf2f5699a441

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Renauda
        wrote on 16 Jan 2023, 23:03 last edited by Renauda
        #1353

        Wait, there’s more…

        And now a defector from the Wagner Mob:

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64296979

        Elbows up!

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        • R Renauda
          16 Jan 2023, 23:03

          Wait, there’s more…

          And now a defector from the Wagner Mob:

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64296979

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          Mik
          wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 00:46 last edited by
          #1354

          @Renauda

          I’ll take “How do you know when you are well and truly fucked” for $1000.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Renauda
            wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 15:11 last edited by
            #1355

            On the surface this might indicate that reality is beginning to sink in to Russian minds. I don’t believe it. Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation. The speaker is critical of the execution of the military tactics but is careful to stay clear of criticising the reasons and assumptions that led to the war itself.

            Elbows up!

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            • R Renauda
              17 Jan 2023, 15:11

              On the surface this might indicate that reality is beginning to sink in to Russian minds. I don’t believe it. Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation. The speaker is critical of the execution of the military tactics but is careful to stay clear of criticising the reasons and assumptions that led to the war itself.

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              George K
              wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 15:12 last edited by
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              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation

              A "trial balloon," or a "warning balloon?"

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • G George K
                17 Jan 2023, 15:12

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation

                A "trial balloon," or a "warning balloon?"

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                Renauda
                wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 15:58 last edited by
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                @George-K

                Warning balloon.

                Elbows up!

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                • G George K
                  17 Jan 2023, 15:12

                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation

                  A "trial balloon," or a "warning balloon?"

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 22:50 last edited by
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                  @George-K

                  It is a warning balloon in the sense that it appears that the Kremlin propagandists are attempting to turn the special military operation into a new Sacred War and prepping the nation for a full mobilisation.

                  Elbows up!

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                    George K
                    wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 23:05 last edited by
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                    @Renauda , that's what I figured.

                    Have you heard anything from friends in the area what the sentiment is? If you believe the Ukrainian press, there's a lot of coffins headed back to the Motherland.

                    Of course, there's no mention of the coffins staying in-country.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • G George K
                      17 Jan 2023, 23:05

                      @Renauda , that's what I figured.

                      Have you heard anything from friends in the area what the sentiment is? If you believe the Ukrainian press, there's a lot of coffins headed back to the Motherland.

                      Of course, there's no mention of the coffins staying in-country.

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 18 Jan 2023, 00:06 last edited by
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                      @George-K

                      Babushka talks about it disparagingly because she is over 75 years old and fears nothing. With others it is never discussed.

                      Ukrainians friends on the other hand are openly consumed with vengeance towards all things Russian. Like I said a year ago, the Ukrainians will make the Provo IRA look like Boy Scouts.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • R Renauda
                        18 Jan 2023, 00:06

                        @George-K

                        Babushka talks about it disparagingly because she is over 75 years old and fears nothing. With others it is never discussed.

                        Ukrainians friends on the other hand are openly consumed with vengeance towards all things Russian. Like I said a year ago, the Ukrainians will make the Provo IRA look like Boy Scouts.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 18 Jan 2023, 00:08 last edited by
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                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Ukrainians friends on the other hand are openly consumed with vengeance towards all things Russian.

                        A good indication of that was the removal of the statue of Catherine.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • G George K
                          18 Jan 2023, 00:08

                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Ukrainians friends on the other hand are openly consumed with vengeance towards all things Russian.

                          A good indication of that was the removal of the statue of Catherine.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 18 Jan 2023, 00:15 last edited by Renauda
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                          @George-K

                          The statue had been removed in the 1990s then put back sometime in the last decade. No big deal as we all know statues come and go. In any case Catherine was a German princess who usurped the throne from her Prussophile and German speaking yet nominally Russian Romanov husband, Peter III. No loss.

                          Elbows up!

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                            George K
                            wrote on 20 Jan 2023, 22:36 last edited by
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                            A Ukrainian Bayraktar TB2 call sign ‘FCKPTN2’ (Fuck Putin 2) is currently active over Ukraine.

                            image.jpeg

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 02:13 last edited by
                              #1364

                              It looks fake

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                              • C Copper
                                21 Jan 2023, 02:13

                                It looks fake

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                                George K
                                wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 02:42 last edited by
                                #1365

                                @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                It looks fake

                                Yeah, what would you know about tracking flights?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 03:13 last edited by
                                  #1366

                                  IIRC, think I read where the Russians are in the midst of a big call-up.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    21 Jan 2023, 03:13

                                    IIRC, think I read where the Russians are in the midst of a big call-up.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 04:22 last edited by Renauda
                                    #1367

                                    @Jolly

                                    Not yet but I think it’s coming soon.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 12:14 last edited by
                                      #1368

                                      Couple of things.

                                      One news report (ABC?) claimed that Russian casualties are now in excess of 100,000. The surprising thing is not the number (Ukranian sources have been saying this for months), but that a major news outlet is reporting that number. IIRC, the British Ministry of Defence reported that number a few months ago.

                                      And this:

                                      U.S. officials advise Ukraine to wait on offensive

                                      Senior U.S. officials are advising Ukraine to hold off on launching a major offensive against Russian forces until the latest supply of U.S. weaponry is in place and training has been provided, a senior Biden administration official said on Friday.

                                      The official, speaking to a small group of reporters on condition of anonymity, said the United States was holding fast to its decision not to provide Abrams tanks to Ukraine at this time, amid a controversy with Germany over tanks.

                                      President Joe Biden, who approved a new $2.5 billion weapons package for Ukraine this week, told reporters at the White House, "Ukraine is going to get all the help they need," when asked if he supports Poland's intention to send German-made Leopard tanks to Ukraine.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 16:34 last edited by
                                        #1369

                                        Proxies and Puppets. A long analytical essay but well worth the read:

                                        https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/proxies-and-puppets?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 19:23 last edited by
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                                          Great piece, clarity amid the fog of war.

                                          Unfortunately a negotiated end ceding Ukrainian territory just kicks the can down the road.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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