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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #1346

    Fair weather friendship or mortgage holder?

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/10/beijing-fears-russia-becoming-minor-power-under-crazy-putin-ft-a79911

    Elbows up!

    LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
    • RenaudaR Renauda

      Fair weather friendship or mortgage holder?

      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/10/beijing-fears-russia-becoming-minor-power-under-crazy-putin-ft-a79911

      LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on last edited by
      #1347

      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Fair weather friendship or mortgage holder?

      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/10/beijing-fears-russia-becoming-minor-power-under-crazy-putin-ft-a79911

      So where does this debacle place Russia in terms of influence and power?

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        Fair weather friendship or mortgage holder?

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/10/beijing-fears-russia-becoming-minor-power-under-crazy-putin-ft-a79911

        So where does this debacle place Russia in terms of influence and power?

        RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #1348

        @LuFins-Dad

        Right where it is. A permanent member of the UN Security Council with a severe inferiority complex.

        Other than that, not much else.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

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          Interesting choice, Sergei Surovikin. An Air Force General no less.

          Bio: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Surovikin

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #1349

          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Interesting choice, Sergei Surovikin. An Air Force General no less.

          Bio: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Surovikin

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          https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-war-russia-names-valery-gerasimov-new-commander-replaces-sergei-surovikin-3-months/

          Russia has again replaced its military commander in Ukraine, putting army chief Valery Gerasimov in charge of its forces in the conflict, the defense ministry said Wednesday.

          "Army General Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian armed forces, has been appointed Commander of the Joint Grouping of Troops (Forces)," the ministry said.

          Sergei Surovikin, the commander of Russia's forces in Ukraine for the past three months, will become Gerasimov's deputy, the ministry said. Surovikin, lionized by Russia's pro-Kremlin press as "General Armageddon," had previously been the commander of Russia's Air Force.

          Meanwhile, Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhaylo Podolyak said Wednesday that Ukraine will be able to win the war in 2023 if it receives more Western weapons, particularly long-range missiles and heavy tanks.

          Otherwise, the war will grind on "for decades," Podolyak told AFP, pointing out that the "bloodiest" fighting was currently taking place in eastern Ukraine in Bakhmut and Soledar.

          "Only missiles with a range of more than 100 kilometers will allow us to significantly accelerate the de-occupation of our territories," he told AFP in an interview.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #1350

            Beavers assisting in defence of Ukraine:

            https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-credits-local-beavers-unwittingly-113757702.html

            Am thinking Canada can send them more beavers if the Russians start targeting their dams.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1351

              Everybody likes a little beaver.

              Well, maybe not Russians.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #1352

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/testimony-of-a-russian-deserter-if-putin-dies-tomorrow-the-war-is-over/ar-AA16oQSA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=23205568af604347a1aacf2f5699a441

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #1353

                  Wait, there’s more…

                  And now a defector from the Wagner Mob:

                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64296979

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    Wait, there’s more…

                    And now a defector from the Wagner Mob:

                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64296979

                    MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1354

                    @Renauda

                    I’ll take “How do you know when you are well and truly fucked” for $1000.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
                      RenaudaR Offline
                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1355

                      On the surface this might indicate that reality is beginning to sink in to Russian minds. I don’t believe it. Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation. The speaker is critical of the execution of the military tactics but is careful to stay clear of criticising the reasons and assumptions that led to the war itself.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        On the surface this might indicate that reality is beginning to sink in to Russian minds. I don’t believe it. Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation. The speaker is critical of the execution of the military tactics but is careful to stay clear of criticising the reasons and assumptions that led to the war itself.

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1356

                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation

                        A "trial balloon," or a "warning balloon?"

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation

                          A "trial balloon," or a "warning balloon?"

                          RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1357

                          @George-K

                          Warning balloon.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Rather this is a choreographed balloon in preparation of full mobilisation

                            A "trial balloon," or a "warning balloon?"

                            RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1358

                            @George-K

                            It is a warning balloon in the sense that it appears that the Kremlin propagandists are attempting to turn the special military operation into a new Sacred War and prepping the nation for a full mobilisation.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1359

                              @Renauda , that's what I figured.

                              Have you heard anything from friends in the area what the sentiment is? If you believe the Ukrainian press, there's a lot of coffins headed back to the Motherland.

                              Of course, there's no mention of the coffins staying in-country.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Renauda , that's what I figured.

                                Have you heard anything from friends in the area what the sentiment is? If you believe the Ukrainian press, there's a lot of coffins headed back to the Motherland.

                                Of course, there's no mention of the coffins staying in-country.

                                RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1360

                                @George-K

                                Babushka talks about it disparagingly because she is over 75 years old and fears nothing. With others it is never discussed.

                                Ukrainians friends on the other hand are openly consumed with vengeance towards all things Russian. Like I said a year ago, the Ukrainians will make the Provo IRA look like Boy Scouts.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  @George-K

                                  Babushka talks about it disparagingly because she is over 75 years old and fears nothing. With others it is never discussed.

                                  Ukrainians friends on the other hand are openly consumed with vengeance towards all things Russian. Like I said a year ago, the Ukrainians will make the Provo IRA look like Boy Scouts.

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1361

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Ukrainians friends on the other hand are openly consumed with vengeance towards all things Russian.

                                  A good indication of that was the removal of the statue of Catherine.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    Ukrainians friends on the other hand are openly consumed with vengeance towards all things Russian.

                                    A good indication of that was the removal of the statue of Catherine.

                                    RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #1362

                                    @George-K

                                    The statue had been removed in the 1990s then put back sometime in the last decade. No big deal as we all know statues come and go. In any case Catherine was a German princess who usurped the throne from her Prussophile and German speaking yet nominally Russian Romanov husband, Peter III. No loss.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1363

                                      A Ukrainian Bayraktar TB2 call sign ‘FCKPTN2’ (Fuck Putin 2) is currently active over Ukraine.

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                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        CopperC Online
                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1364

                                        It looks fake

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          It looks fake

                                          George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1365

                                          @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          It looks fake

                                          Yeah, what would you know about tracking flights?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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