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    George K
    wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 00:38 last edited by
    #1290

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Renauda
      wrote on 16 Dec 2022, 06:29 last edited by
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      Russia planning new offensive in new year:

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244

      Elbows up!

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      • R Renauda
        16 Dec 2022, 06:29

        Russia planning new offensive in new year:

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244

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        George K
        wrote on 16 Dec 2022, 12:32 last edited by
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        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        Russia planning new offensive in new year:

        I imagine they've learned a lot from their missteps last February.

        OTOH, just how good are the mobiks? They've burned through a lot of materiel in 10 months (about 3K tanks, 200 aircraft). I imagine supplies are dwindling.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Mik
          wrote on 16 Dec 2022, 14:27 last edited by
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          This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • M Mik
            16 Dec 2022, 14:27

            This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

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            Renauda
            wrote on 16 Dec 2022, 16:47 last edited by
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            @Mik

            I see another side to announcing it. It is an open declaration of defiance to Putin’s intimidation tactics against NATO. It also counters Kremlin disinformation regarding covert NATO support to Ukraine. I trust that the Pentagon knows what it is doing.

            Elbows up!

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              Mik
              wrote on 16 Dec 2022, 17:19 last edited by
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              Could be.

              For all his nuclear saber rattling, I can't imagine Putin has too much confidence in his nuclear forces after the performance of his conventional ones.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                George K
                wrote on 16 Dec 2022, 18:16 last edited by
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                It's interesting (for lack of a better word) to see Putin's objection to the US delivery of Patriot missiles to Ukraine. This is 100% a defensive weapon.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 16 Dec 2022, 18:21 last edited by
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                  Maybe the US troops aren't operating the equipment, but it sounds like they are standing there watching it operate. And they are training the guys operating it.

                  That is pretty close to fighting in the war.

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 16 Dec 2022, 23:34 last edited by
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                    Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • M Mik
                      16 Dec 2022, 23:34

                      Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 00:26 last edited by
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                      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      t is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                      The reward isn't for the aggression, it's for winning.

                      Or in the case of a negotiated settlement, the reward is negotiated. Stopping the aggression is worth something.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 13:19 last edited by
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • M Mik
                          16 Dec 2022, 23:34

                          Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 14:55 last edited by
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                          @Mik

                          At the this point, Russia is only prepared to dictate terms of surrender to Ukraine that amount to nothing less than the unconditional surrender of its territory and sovereignty.

                          So no, in the foreseeable future it is folly to even consider the Kremlin could sit down and negotiate in good faith a stop to its aggression against Ukraine and, by extension, NATO.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 15:02 last edited by
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                            Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              17 Dec 2022, 15:02

                              Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 15:37 last edited by Renauda
                              #1303

                              @Jolly

                              Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                              Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • R Renauda
                                17 Dec 2022, 15:37

                                @Jolly

                                Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 15:40 last edited by
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                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

                                I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  17 Dec 2022, 15:40

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                  Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

                                  I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 15:52 last edited by Renauda
                                  #1305

                                  @George-K

                                  I can’t imagine Ukrainian casualties being much different.

                                  Casualty estimates for both sides is a cloudy issue that’s for sure. I came across the following this morning breaking down confirmed Russian KIAs:

                                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/16/5-graphs-analyzing-10000-russian-soldiers-confirmed-killed-in-ukraine-a79699

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 01:04 last edited by
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                                    I saw this in the New York Times earlier today, and it's a long, LONG, article.

                                    This Twitter thread hits the highlights (lowlights?).

                                    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1604142037770575872.html

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 03:54 last edited by
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                                      Why do Russians have so much trouble with stairs?

                                      The Brad

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 16:47 last edited by
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                                        One Russian tank unit attacks another over argument. Love this. Maakes you wonder if one day the Russian occupiers may desert and turn Ukrainian. Wouldn't that be something.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-russian-tank-unit-deliberately-attacked-another-russian-position-in-ukraine-report-says-illustrating-vicious-rivalries-within-putin-s-army/ar-AA15q1Kf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=85f3fc7219314acdbb1130fc1b59a9aa

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 19 Dec 2022, 11:47 last edited by
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                                          Wow.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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