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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #1284

    And yesterday, Putin "justified" the attacks on infrastructure with the comparison of the attack on the Karch bridge.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #1285

      Shooting those who show fear?

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-soldiers-executed-for-showing-fear-captured-recruit-says/ar-AA15dZGS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9150581bc2df441387090870b8fa72a2

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        Shooting those who show fear?

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-soldiers-executed-for-showing-fear-captured-recruit-says/ar-AA15dZGS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9150581bc2df441387090870b8fa72a2

        RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #1286

        @Mik

        The Wagner group appears to be a cross between an armed Latin American militia and the Nazi Einsatzgruppen.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #1287

          Here is a 10 minute video report describing how Putin’s propaganda has shifted over the course of the past 9 months:

          Putin’s Propaganda Machine Shifts its Tone on Ukraine

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            Here is a 10 minute video report describing how Putin’s propaganda has shifted over the course of the past 9 months:

            Putin’s Propaganda Machine Shifts its Tone on Ukraine

            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #1288

            @Renauda no surprise that the message has changed.

            But this is a nice compilation.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1289

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-deals-hammer-blow-to-russia-s-war-effort/ar-AA15dTRa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4821ba7548c3414dbbacf664f736e79a

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #1290

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1291

                  Russia planning new offensive in new year:

                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    Russia planning new offensive in new year:

                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1292

                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Russia planning new offensive in new year:

                    I imagine they've learned a lot from their missteps last February.

                    OTOH, just how good are the mobiks? They've burned through a lot of materiel in 10 months (about 3K tanks, 200 aircraft). I imagine supplies are dwindling.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1293

                      This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1294

                        @Mik

                        I see another side to announcing it. It is an open declaration of defiance to Putin’s intimidation tactics against NATO. It also counters Kremlin disinformation regarding covert NATO support to Ukraine. I trust that the Pentagon knows what it is doing.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1295

                          Could be.

                          For all his nuclear saber rattling, I can't imagine Putin has too much confidence in his nuclear forces after the performance of his conventional ones.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1296

                            It's interesting (for lack of a better word) to see Putin's objection to the US delivery of Patriot missiles to Ukraine. This is 100% a defensive weapon.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • CopperC Offline
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                              Copper
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1297

                              Maybe the US troops aren't operating the equipment, but it sounds like they are standing there watching it operate. And they are training the guys operating it.

                              That is pretty close to fighting in the war.

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1298

                                Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

                                  CopperC Offline
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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1299

                                  @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  t is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                                  The reward isn't for the aggression, it's for winning.

                                  Or in the case of a negotiated settlement, the reward is negotiated. Stopping the aggression is worth something.

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1300

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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1301

                                      @Mik

                                      At the this point, Russia is only prepared to dictate terms of surrender to Ukraine that amount to nothing less than the unconditional surrender of its territory and sovereignty.

                                      So no, in the foreseeable future it is folly to even consider the Kremlin could sit down and negotiate in good faith a stop to its aggression against Ukraine and, by extension, NATO.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1302

                                        Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

                                          RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #1303

                                          @Jolly

                                          Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                          Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

                                          Elbows up!

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