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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #1287

    Here is a 10 minute video report describing how Putin’s propaganda has shifted over the course of the past 9 months:

    Putin’s Propaganda Machine Shifts its Tone on Ukraine

    Elbows up!

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      Here is a 10 minute video report describing how Putin’s propaganda has shifted over the course of the past 9 months:

      Putin’s Propaganda Machine Shifts its Tone on Ukraine

      George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1288

      @Renauda no surprise that the message has changed.

      But this is a nice compilation.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #1289

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-deals-hammer-blow-to-russia-s-war-effort/ar-AA15dTRa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4821ba7548c3414dbbacf664f736e79a

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #1290

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #1291

            Russia planning new offensive in new year:

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              Russia planning new offensive in new year:

              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244

              George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #1292

              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Russia planning new offensive in new year:

              I imagine they've learned a lot from their missteps last February.

              OTOH, just how good are the mobiks? They've burned through a lot of materiel in 10 months (about 3K tanks, 200 aircraft). I imagine supplies are dwindling.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #1293

                This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1294

                  @Mik

                  I see another side to announcing it. It is an open declaration of defiance to Putin’s intimidation tactics against NATO. It also counters Kremlin disinformation regarding covert NATO support to Ukraine. I trust that the Pentagon knows what it is doing.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1295

                    Could be.

                    For all his nuclear saber rattling, I can't imagine Putin has too much confidence in his nuclear forces after the performance of his conventional ones.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1296

                      It's interesting (for lack of a better word) to see Putin's objection to the US delivery of Patriot missiles to Ukraine. This is 100% a defensive weapon.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • CopperC Offline
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                        Copper
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1297

                        Maybe the US troops aren't operating the equipment, but it sounds like they are standing there watching it operate. And they are training the guys operating it.

                        That is pretty close to fighting in the war.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1298

                          Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

                            CopperC Offline
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                            Copper
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1299

                            @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            t is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                            The reward isn't for the aggression, it's for winning.

                            Or in the case of a negotiated settlement, the reward is negotiated. Stopping the aggression is worth something.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1300

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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

                                RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1301

                                @Mik

                                At the this point, Russia is only prepared to dictate terms of surrender to Ukraine that amount to nothing less than the unconditional surrender of its territory and sovereignty.

                                So no, in the foreseeable future it is folly to even consider the Kremlin could sit down and negotiate in good faith a stop to its aggression against Ukraine and, by extension, NATO.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1302

                                  Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

                                    RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #1303

                                    @Jolly

                                    Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                    Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @Jolly

                                      Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                      Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1304

                                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                      Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

                                      I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                        Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

                                        I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

                                        RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #1305

                                        @George-K

                                        I can’t imagine Ukrainian casualties being much different.

                                        Casualty estimates for both sides is a cloudy issue that’s for sure. I came across the following this morning breaking down confirmed Russian KIAs:

                                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/16/5-graphs-analyzing-10000-russian-soldiers-confirmed-killed-in-ukraine-a79699

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1306

                                          I saw this in the New York Times earlier today, and it's a long, LONG, article.

                                          This Twitter thread hits the highlights (lowlights?).

                                          https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1604142037770575872.html

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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