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  • MikM Mik

    Shooting those who show fear?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-soldiers-executed-for-showing-fear-captured-recruit-says/ar-AA15dZGS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9150581bc2df441387090870b8fa72a2

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #1286

    @Mik

    The Wagner group appears to be a cross between an armed Latin American militia and the Nazi Einsatzgruppen.

    Elbows up!

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #1287

      Here is a 10 minute video report describing how Putin’s propaganda has shifted over the course of the past 9 months:

      Putin’s Propaganda Machine Shifts its Tone on Ukraine

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        Here is a 10 minute video report describing how Putin’s propaganda has shifted over the course of the past 9 months:

        Putin’s Propaganda Machine Shifts its Tone on Ukraine

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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #1288

        @Renauda no surprise that the message has changed.

        But this is a nice compilation.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #1289

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-deals-hammer-blow-to-russia-s-war-effort/ar-AA15dTRa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4821ba7548c3414dbbacf664f736e79a

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #1290

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Renauda
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              #1291

              Russia planning new offensive in new year:

              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                Russia planning new offensive in new year:

                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63995244

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                George K
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                #1292

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Russia planning new offensive in new year:

                I imagine they've learned a lot from their missteps last February.

                OTOH, just how good are the mobiks? They've burned through a lot of materiel in 10 months (about 3K tanks, 200 aircraft). I imagine supplies are dwindling.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1293

                  This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1294

                    @Mik

                    I see another side to announcing it. It is an open declaration of defiance to Putin’s intimidation tactics against NATO. It also counters Kremlin disinformation regarding covert NATO support to Ukraine. I trust that the Pentagon knows what it is doing.

                    Elbows up!

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                      #1295

                      Could be.

                      For all his nuclear saber rattling, I can't imagine Putin has too much confidence in his nuclear forces after the performance of his conventional ones.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        George K
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                        #1296

                        It's interesting (for lack of a better word) to see Putin's objection to the US delivery of Patriot missiles to Ukraine. This is 100% a defensive weapon.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Copper
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1297

                          Maybe the US troops aren't operating the equipment, but it sounds like they are standing there watching it operate. And they are training the guys operating it.

                          That is pretty close to fighting in the war.

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1298

                            Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

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                              Copper
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1299

                              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              t is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                              The reward isn't for the aggression, it's for winning.

                              Or in the case of a negotiated settlement, the reward is negotiated. Stopping the aggression is worth something.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1300

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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1301

                                  @Mik

                                  At the this point, Russia is only prepared to dictate terms of surrender to Ukraine that amount to nothing less than the unconditional surrender of its territory and sovereignty.

                                  So no, in the foreseeable future it is folly to even consider the Kremlin could sit down and negotiate in good faith a stop to its aggression against Ukraine and, by extension, NATO.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1302

                                    Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #1303

                                      @Jolly

                                      Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                      Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @Jolly

                                        Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                        Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1304

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                        Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

                                        I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                                          Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

                                          I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #1305

                                          @George-K

                                          I can’t imagine Ukrainian casualties being much different.

                                          Casualty estimates for both sides is a cloudy issue that’s for sure. I came across the following this morning breaking down confirmed Russian KIAs:

                                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/16/5-graphs-analyzing-10000-russian-soldiers-confirmed-killed-in-ukraine-a79699

                                          Elbows up!

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