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  • MikM Mik

    This is all well and good. I just wish we'd stop announcing it and giving the location.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-expand-combat-training-for-ukrainian-troops/ar-AA15kxQO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f60ce41f3f3e43d9ab5441a4c4184571

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #1294

    @Mik

    I see another side to announcing it. It is an open declaration of defiance to Putin’s intimidation tactics against NATO. It also counters Kremlin disinformation regarding covert NATO support to Ukraine. I trust that the Pentagon knows what it is doing.

    Elbows up!

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      Mik
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      #1295

      Could be.

      For all his nuclear saber rattling, I can't imagine Putin has too much confidence in his nuclear forces after the performance of his conventional ones.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #1296

        It's interesting (for lack of a better word) to see Putin's objection to the US delivery of Patriot missiles to Ukraine. This is 100% a defensive weapon.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Copper
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          #1297

          Maybe the US troops aren't operating the equipment, but it sounds like they are standing there watching it operate. And they are training the guys operating it.

          That is pretty close to fighting in the war.

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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #1298

            Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

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              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

              t is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

              The reward isn't for the aggression, it's for winning.

              Or in the case of a negotiated settlement, the reward is negotiated. Stopping the aggression is worth something.

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                George K
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Mik

                  Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

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                  Renauda
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                  @Mik

                  At the this point, Russia is only prepared to dictate terms of surrender to Ukraine that amount to nothing less than the unconditional surrender of its territory and sovereignty.

                  So no, in the foreseeable future it is folly to even consider the Kremlin could sit down and negotiate in good faith a stop to its aggression against Ukraine and, by extension, NATO.

                  Elbows up!

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                    #1302

                    Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

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                      Renauda
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                      #1303

                      @Jolly

                      Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                      Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @Jolly

                        Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                        Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

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                        George K
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                        #1304

                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                        Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

                        I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

                          Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

                          I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

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                          Renauda
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                          #1305

                          @George-K

                          I can’t imagine Ukrainian casualties being much different.

                          Casualty estimates for both sides is a cloudy issue that’s for sure. I came across the following this morning breaking down confirmed Russian KIAs:

                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/16/5-graphs-analyzing-10000-russian-soldiers-confirmed-killed-in-ukraine-a79699

                          Elbows up!

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                            George K
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                            #1306

                            I saw this in the New York Times earlier today, and it's a long, LONG, article.

                            This Twitter thread hits the highlights (lowlights?).

                            https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1604142037770575872.html

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              #1307

                              Why do Russians have so much trouble with stairs?

                              The Brad

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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1308

                                One Russian tank unit attacks another over argument. Love this. Maakes you wonder if one day the Russian occupiers may desert and turn Ukrainian. Wouldn't that be something.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-russian-tank-unit-deliberately-attacked-another-russian-position-in-ukraine-report-says-illustrating-vicious-rivalries-within-putin-s-army/ar-AA15q1Kf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=85f3fc7219314acdbb1130fc1b59a9aa

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1309

                                  Wow.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Wow.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1310

                                    @jon-nyc they'll have to leave the country to buy them, I assume.

                                    Perhaps they'll also be encouraged by the musicians and circus performers at the front.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1311

                                      More mobilizations coming?

                                      2/ This follows earlier indications that the Russian authorities are preparing to mobilise government and emergency service workers, including police officers and firefighters, as well as more civilians.

                                      3/ According to the Baza Telegram channel, Moscow police officers have been given a list of items that they must immediately acquire for themselves, as early as today. They have reportedly been told their bags will be checked for compliance.

                                      4/ The list includes items such as clothes, towels, a compass, a torch, an combat mission plotter, a day's worth of food, a one-litre flask of water and a first-aid kit. The officers were additionally ordered to pack a sleeping bag and a camping mat.

                                      5/ The purpose of the order isn't stated, but as the Military Ombudsman Telegram channel notes, "for those involved in the army, the purpose of such a duffel bag is quite recognisable." /end

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #1312

                                        Zelensky in Washington tomorrow?

                                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64047058

                                        Am seeing this on other sites as well.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1313

                                          Putin says war in Ukraine not Russia’s fault:

                                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64055018

                                          Sure glad he cleared up that question.

                                          Elbows up!

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