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The Ukraine war thread

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    Jolly
    wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 14:10 last edited by
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    As the American Civil War influenced tactics for many years after, this war changes things for everybody

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Mik
      wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 14:25 last edited by
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      I cannot quite decide whether this proves that old war tactics fail in a high-tech era or that the Russians are simply an incompetent military force.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        George K
        wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 14:54 last edited by
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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Copper
          wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 17:30 last edited by
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          The Wagner Group, also known as PMC Wagner, ChVK Wagner, or CHVK Vagner, is a Russian paramilitary organization. It is variously described as a private military company, a network of mercenaries, or a de facto private army of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Wikipedia

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            Mik
            wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 18:59 last edited by
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            There’s an irony in the Russian mercenaries having a German name.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • M Mik
              29 Oct 2022, 18:59

              There’s an irony in the Russian mercenaries having a German name.

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              Renauda
              wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 19:09 last edited by Renauda
              #1157

              @Mik

              Supposedly it is because Wagner is Pirozhkin’s favourite composer.

              This is a very well made documentary on the formation of the Wagner Group:

              Link to video

              Elbows up!

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                Mik
                wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 19:15 last edited by
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                I can understand that a mercenary would love Wagner. But still….

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • M Mik
                  29 Oct 2022, 19:15

                  I can understand that a mercenary would love Wagner. But still….

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 20:16 last edited by Renauda
                  #1159

                  @Mik

                  I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

                  Know what I mean?

                  Elbows up!

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 20:33 last edited by
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                    Maybe the Nutcrackers....

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      29 Oct 2022, 20:16

                      @Mik

                      I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

                      Know what I mean?

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                      George K
                      wrote on 29 Oct 2022, 20:40 last edited by
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                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      @Mik

                      I don’t think naming it The Tchaikovsky Group would have quite the same connotation as Wagner among Russian men.

                      Know what I mean?

                      That would be ghey.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 30 Oct 2022, 12:22 last edited by George K
                        #1162

                        And a rare video of Russian troops withdrawing, taken by a Ukrainian soldier:

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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 30 Oct 2022, 15:21 last edited by
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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 1 Nov 2022, 00:01 last edited by
                            #1164

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 1 Nov 2022, 12:47 last edited by
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                              Is Russia Running Out Of Missiles?

                              Russia is running low on missiles, especially those that the Iskander road-mobile system equips. Ukraine’s intelligence director said that Vladimir Putin’s forces have only 13% of the supply of Iskander ballistic missiles that Russia held before the war. This leaves Russian forces to rely on Iran-made Shahed loitering drones to attack Ukraine.

                              Ukrainian spy master Kyrylo Budanov said recently that Russian “missile stocks are almost exhausted.” Budanov said Russia is turning to the cheaper Shahed-136 and Shahed-131 drones, and these are getting destroyed in the air – 330 have been launched at Ukrainian targets and 222 have been shot down, Budanov claimed.

                              While there is no independent confirmation of these numbers, it stands to reason that Russia is running out of Iskanders, as well as other missiles such as the Kalibr. This has to make Moscow wonder if its military can continue to target critical infrastructure in strikes designed to take out electrical power and water plants in Ukraine. On Oct. 31, dozens of cruise missiles and kamikaze drones hit these facilities, creating electricity and water outages throughout the country.

                              Russia’s missile force could not have foreseen the depletion of these stocks in a war that has raged almost all year. The Iskander was believed to be impervious to missile defenses, but in reality it is falling even to unlikely defensive systems such as MANPADs. Ukraine boasted on Oct. 29 that a Ukrainian man-portable air defense system downed an Iskander near the city of Zaporizhzhia. While the action was not a direct hit, the Iskander reportedly left its trajectory and hit the ground far short of its target.

                              This is yet another wartime disappointment for Vladimir Putin. His generals must have told him that Russian ballistic missiles would strike fear into Ukraine and push Kyiv to surrender. But the war has gone on longer than planned, and Iskander stocks are running low. Ukraine has done a good job shooting them down, and it may soon get HAWK surface-to-air missiles from the United States to take care of the Iranian drones. Ukraine and its allies are answering the surface-to-surface missile advantages that Moscow enjoyed before the war. Russia will have to depend on a defense industry beset by international sanctions to replenish Iskander missile stocks.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 1 Nov 2022, 22:11 last edited by
                                #1166

                                Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

                                https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

                                Elbows up!

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                                  1 Nov 2022, 22:11

                                  Weekend attack on Sevastopol, British Forces report and video:

                                  https://www.forces.net/ukraine/dramatic-footage-appears-show-ukrainian-air-and-sea-drones-targeting-russian-black-sea?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=356b24eb9e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_01_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25712c5f6f-356b24eb9e-441384561

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 1 Nov 2022, 22:21 last edited by
                                  #1167

                                  @Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

                                  Have you heard/read anything?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • G George K
                                    1 Nov 2022, 22:21

                                    @Renauda I saw those videos this weekend. However, the amount of damage inflicted by the USVs seems to be uncertain.

                                    Have you heard/read anything?

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 1 Nov 2022, 22:27 last edited by Renauda 11 Jan 2022, 23:58
                                    #1168

                                    @George-K

                                    Nothing verified. Curious about the extent of damage to that Russian Frigate. Whatever happened, the attack got Putin’s attention.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 2 Nov 2022, 12:44 last edited by
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                                      Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        2 Nov 2022, 12:44

                                        Seems he brooks no criticism. Thug.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-lawmaker-who-criticized-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-left-comatose-after-incident-inside-parliament-building/ar-AA13DdB7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f82790759f0341f2dc1d36cc52dd98de

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 2 Nov 2022, 12:54 last edited by
                                        #1170

                                        @Mik they didn't even wait for him to get near a window.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 2 Nov 2022, 13:58 last edited by
                                          #1171

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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