Not a riot

[jon-nyc]

Yeah, that would be the reasonable metric. But ask anyone protesting whether that number for blacks has been rising or falling, and I bet you’ll get an answer worse than chance.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:

“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.

Yes which makes the pool of data overwhelmed by random noise and of little significance to what it is supposedly correlated with.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Mik said in Not a riot:

My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.

Not here. There were over twice as many demonstrators out by Lafayette yesterday as there were two days ago. Maybe today it'll die down some.

[Catseye3]

@Tav-D: I got as far as #2. Couldn't stand to read any more of it.

[89th]

The protests will run out of steam because:

1. The weather is getting hotter and more rainy
2. They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up

Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in Not a riot:

It’s not a riot! It’s a shopping spree.

Big discounts on Dodge Charger Hellcats, everybody! https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-muscle-cars-stolen-george-floyd-riots-san-leandro-california/

Have to tell my DIL. She just thought she got a good price on hers.

[Aqua Letifer]

@89th said in Not a riot:

The protests will run out of steam

That the protests will not last forever is the most self-evident thing about them.

Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.

@89th Are you fucking serious? All of them? Just like that, we're going to judge everybody involved?

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:

It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.

Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.

To make a guess, I think they probably took the two extremes. If that be the case, NBC is lying through their teeth.

[Catseye3]

@89th: The protests will run out of steam because: The weather is getting hotter and more rainy; They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up.

Yeah . . . or they remember that today's shopping day and Mom will be bringing home HoHo's and milk, and busting up TVs is getting boring, anyway.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:

It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.

Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.

Found it. Apologies for misquoting it earlier:

I looked at CNN news sites, and searched for "Riot"

CNN showed 1023 hits on that word. Of the top 10 stores, not one used the word "riot" in the context of what is going on. One talked about police using "riot shields" and wearing "riot gear." Another talks about tear gas being a "riot control agent"

CNN's "protest" search yields hundreds of stories. All related to what's going on this week.

[Horace]

It's fun to watch the right side of history being forged like this.

[Aqua Letifer]

@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:

Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?

Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?

[George K]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:

Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?

Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?

1. Burning cars. looting, throwing bricks at police, and smashing windows = "riot."
2. Marching down the street, waving arms, carrying signs, chanting = "protest."

So, when I see #1, that falls under riot.
When I see #2, that's protest.

I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.

I think the first post in this thread makes my position pretty clear.

[Aqua Letifer]

@George-K said in Not a riot:

I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.

That's because each incident is different and doesn't involve the same people. Like at all. The fire that was set there was riotous behavior, absolutely. But that was at night. That wasn't when the crowd was broken up for Trump's photo op. No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.

[George K]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm

United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory Monahan.

On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park. At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.

You're saying the Chief of Police for the Park Service is mistaken?

[Larry]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

@George-K said in Not a riot:

I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.

That's because each incident is different and doesn't involve the same people. Like at all. The fire that was set there was riotous behavior, absolutely. But that was at night. That wasn't when the crowd was broken up for Trump's photo op. No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.

And no rubber bullets were fired, no tear gas was used, and it wasn't Trump that ordered the area cleared, it was AG Barr. And, the woman preacher has been proven to be a liar and a Leftist radical with an agenda.

You are working entirely too hard to make the point that some of the protesters were harmless and peaceful. We all know that.

[Jolly]

Bottom line?

When the Secret Service asks you to move, move.

Apparently, they don't ask twice.

[Horace]

@Jolly said in Not a riot:

Bottom line?

When the Secret Service asks you to move, move.

Apparently, they don't ask twice.

There's a lesson to be learned here about how to deal with law enforcement in general, but then mentioning that there are two sides to law enforcement interactions is a wrong side of history thing to say.

[Aqua Letifer]

@George-K said in Not a riot:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm

United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory Monahan.

On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park. At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.

You're saying the Chief of Police for the Park Service is mistaken?

You said this earlier:

Sorry, no.
Clinton said that tear gas was fired into the crowd.
Park Police Chief says no.
One of the two (as I posted) is not true. I suppose you can choose which one you choose to believe.

At Lafayette, June 1, 6:30pm. I guess you're going to tell me these are fires set by the protesters?

[George K]

You pointed out that the fire that I talked about (in the context of what constitutes a riot, not the specific incident you tend to conflate it with - the photo op) was a day night earlier. I acknowledge that.

Your photo doesn't address my point about the demonstrators protestors rioters being violent, as the Chief of Police stated.

Are you calling him a liar?