Not a riot

[Doctor Phibes]

My inner dialogues aren't shifting anywhere of the sort, although I must admit I hear the word 'Canada' a lot more than I used to.

[Mik]

I don't know. There are marches being organized out here in the burbs, in a heavily GOP county. Now whether that is solidarity or trying to prevent it from coming here I do not know.

My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.

Now we see if it had any positive effect.

[Horace]

@Mik said in Not a riot:

Now we see if it had any positive effect.

No we don't. We have no reasonable measures to judge by.

[Mik]

Copper, how did you hijack Horace's ID?

[jon-nyc]

“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.

[Mik]

I think it needs to be expanded to deaths in police custody period.

[Horace]

@Mik said in Not a riot:

Copper, how did you hijack Horace's ID?

I think Copper makes some very good points when he posts stuff like that.

[jon-nyc]

Yeah, that would be the reasonable metric. But ask anyone protesting whether that number for blacks has been rising or falling, and I bet you’ll get an answer worse than chance.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:

“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.

Yes which makes the pool of data overwhelmed by random noise and of little significance to what it is supposedly correlated with.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Mik said in Not a riot:

My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.

Not here. There were over twice as many demonstrators out by Lafayette yesterday as there were two days ago. Maybe today it'll die down some.

[Catseye3]

@Tav-D: I got as far as #2. Couldn't stand to read any more of it.

[89th]

The protests will run out of steam because:

1. The weather is getting hotter and more rainy
2. They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up

Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in Not a riot:

It’s not a riot! It’s a shopping spree.

Big discounts on Dodge Charger Hellcats, everybody! https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-muscle-cars-stolen-george-floyd-riots-san-leandro-california/

Have to tell my DIL. She just thought she got a good price on hers.

[Aqua Letifer]

@89th said in Not a riot:

The protests will run out of steam

That the protests will not last forever is the most self-evident thing about them.

Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.

@89th Are you fucking serious? All of them? Just like that, we're going to judge everybody involved?

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:

It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.

Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.

To make a guess, I think they probably took the two extremes. If that be the case, NBC is lying through their teeth.

[Catseye3]

@89th: The protests will run out of steam because: The weather is getting hotter and more rainy; They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up.

Yeah . . . or they remember that today's shopping day and Mom will be bringing home HoHo's and milk, and busting up TVs is getting boring, anyway.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:

It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.

Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.

Found it. Apologies for misquoting it earlier:

I looked at CNN news sites, and searched for "Riot"

CNN showed 1023 hits on that word. Of the top 10 stores, not one used the word "riot" in the context of what is going on. One talked about police using "riot shields" and wearing "riot gear." Another talks about tear gas being a "riot control agent"

CNN's "protest" search yields hundreds of stories. All related to what's going on this week.

[Horace]

It's fun to watch the right side of history being forged like this.

[Aqua Letifer]

@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:

Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?

Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?

[George K]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:

Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?

Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?

1. Burning cars. looting, throwing bricks at police, and smashing windows = "riot."
2. Marching down the street, waving arms, carrying signs, chanting = "protest."

So, when I see #1, that falls under riot.
When I see #2, that's protest.

I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.

I think the first post in this thread makes my position pretty clear.