Not a riot
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I don't know. There are marches being organized out here in the burbs, in a heavily GOP county. Now whether that is solidarity or trying to prevent it from coming here I do not know.
My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.
Now we see if it had any positive effect.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:11 last edited by@Mik said in Not a riot:
Now we see if it had any positive effect.
No we don't. We have no reasonable measures to judge by.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:14 last edited by
Copper, how did you hijack Horace's ID?
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:14 last edited by
“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:15 last edited by
I think it needs to be expanded to deaths in police custody period.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:16 last edited by
@Mik said in Not a riot:
Copper, how did you hijack Horace's ID?
I think Copper makes some very good points when he posts stuff like that.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:16 last edited by
Yeah, that would be the reasonable metric. But ask anyone protesting whether that number for blacks has been rising or falling, and I bet you’ll get an answer worse than chance.
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“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:17 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:
“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.
Yes which makes the pool of data overwhelmed by random noise and of little significance to what it is supposedly correlated with.
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I don't know. There are marches being organized out here in the burbs, in a heavily GOP county. Now whether that is solidarity or trying to prevent it from coming here I do not know.
My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.
Now we see if it had any positive effect.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:19 last edited by@Mik said in Not a riot:
My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.
Not here. There were over twice as many demonstrators out by Lafayette yesterday as there were two days ago. Maybe today it'll die down some.
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Lara Logan posted this on Twitter: Note the contradictions............(sorry if you all have seen this before)
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:58 last edited by
The protests will run out of steam because:
- The weather is getting hotter and more rainy
- They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up
Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.
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It’s not a riot! It’s a shopping spree.
Big discounts on Dodge Charger Hellcats, everybody! https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-muscle-cars-stolen-george-floyd-riots-san-leandro-california/
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 17:28 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Not a riot:
It’s not a riot! It’s a shopping spree.
Big discounts on Dodge Charger Hellcats, everybody! https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-muscle-cars-stolen-george-floyd-riots-san-leandro-california/
Have to tell my DIL. She just thought she got a good price on hers.
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The protests will run out of steam because:
- The weather is getting hotter and more rainy
- They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up
Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 17:28 last edited by Aqua Letifer 6 Mar 2020, 19:06@89th said in Not a riot:
The protests will run out of steam
That the protests will not last forever is the most self-evident thing about them.
Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.
@89th Are you fucking serious? All of them? Just like that, we're going to judge everybody involved?
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It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.
Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 17:32 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:
It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.
Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.
To make a guess, I think they probably took the two extremes. If that be the case, NBC is lying through their teeth.
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The protests will run out of steam because:
- The weather is getting hotter and more rainy
- They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up
Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 17:33 last edited by Catseye3 6 Mar 2020, 17:35@89th: The protests will run out of steam because: The weather is getting hotter and more rainy; They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up.
Yeah . . . or they remember that today's shopping day and Mom will be bringing home HoHo's and milk, and busting up TVs is getting boring, anyway.
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@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:
It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.
Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.
To make a guess, I think they probably took the two extremes. If that be the case, NBC is lying through their teeth.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 17:53 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:
It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.
Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.
Found it. Apologies for misquoting it earlier:
I looked at CNN news sites, and searched for "Riot"
CNN showed 1023 hits on that word. Of the top 10 stores, not one used the word "riot" in the context of what is going on. One talked about police using "riot shields" and wearing "riot gear." Another talks about tear gas being a "riot control agent"
CNN's "protest" search yields hundreds of stories. All related to what's going on this week.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 18:02 last edited by
It's fun to watch the right side of history being forged like this.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 18:11 last edited by
@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:
Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?
Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?
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@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:
Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?
Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 18:57 last edited by George K 6 Mar 2020, 18:58@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:
Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?
Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?
- Burning cars. looting, throwing bricks at police, and smashing windows = "riot."
- Marching down the street, waving arms, carrying signs, chanting = "protest."
So, when I see #1, that falls under riot.
When I see #2, that's protest.I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
I think the first post in this thread makes my position pretty clear.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:
Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?
Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?
- Burning cars. looting, throwing bricks at police, and smashing windows = "riot."
- Marching down the street, waving arms, carrying signs, chanting = "protest."
So, when I see #1, that falls under riot.
When I see #2, that's protest.I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
I think the first post in this thread makes my position pretty clear.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 19:02 last edited by@George-K said in Not a riot:
I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
That's because each incident is different and doesn't involve the same people. Like at all. The fire that was set there was riotous behavior, absolutely. But that was at night. That wasn't when the crowd was broken up for Trump's photo op. No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
Please love yourself.
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
That's because each incident is different and doesn't involve the same people. Like at all. The fire that was set there was riotous behavior, absolutely. But that was at night. That wasn't when the crowd was broken up for Trump's photo op. No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 19:25 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm
United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory Monahan.
On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park. At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.
You're saying the Chief of Police for the Park Service is mistaken?
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