Spot the threat to free speech
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@Horace said in Spot the threat to free speech:
@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:
We’ve created social platforms that are a perfect host for outside influences to polarize our society. Much of twitter and Facebook is not Americans expressing their right to free speech but meddling and manipulating. The evidence for this in bots is quite clear.
And the thing being exploited here is each individual's eagerness to pounce when the other tribe is seen to be crazy or stupid or evil. The best way to immunize ourselves against those trolls is to stop being so eager to do that.
There it is, right there. It only works if we let it and accept the characterization of the other side as devils.
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@taiwan_girl said in Spot the threat to free speech:
@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:
For the record I think Twitter was idiotic for doing this, best case it will achieve the opposite of what they hoped. That’s the best case.
True, but this situation should never have happened. There are so so so many things going on in the world that President Trump should be focusing on.
Spending his time and energy posting tweets on the death of someone 19 years ago that (as far as I know) has been shown to be a natural death, seems to be a gigantic waste of time, energy, and he should be spending his time more productively.
Back when he tweeted that he was being spied on, his detractors were busy saying what you just said. When it was proven to be true that he was being spied on and he had been correct all along, crickets. It's been the same every time - Trump tweets something, his detractors jump on him over it, then later on the reason he did it becomes clear and his detractors move on to some other reason he's no good.
"Spend his time more productively"....... lol you must not know about all the things he's accomplished..
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@xenon said in Spot the threat to free speech:
So much intellectual scaffolding has to be built around this man’s statements.
Any guesses what those "big actions" are? Is that just an empty threat? Would could he actually do? I mean, he is the POTUS after all, so presumably there's something he could do.
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@Larry said in Spot the threat to free speech:
I can't think of anything that is MORE relevant than protecting the right to speak freely. Maybe it doesn't bother you to have big corporations control what does and does not get said, but it bothers me.
I'm referring to the freedom of speech as outlined in the constitution, which is mainly focused on preventing congress from making a law that limits free speech. Pretty sure the dummies in the Twitter front office aren't congress.
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In this case, how did Twitter limit the free speech of President Trump?
He put out a tweet. Nothing was censored. It was allowed in real time. Etc etc
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It's interesting how quickly "conservatives" start talking about stifling the free market when it doesn't behave how they want it to.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Spot the threat to free speech:
It's interesting how quickly "conservatives" start talking about stifling the free market when it doesn't behave how they want it to.
Well, I'm somewhat conservative, and I do not want to stifle the free market.
Ohyeah??
How about: Progressives don't want to stifle the free market, because they don't want a free market to begin with.
Stick that under your porch and try to sweep it.emoji goes here --> but KLAUS I can't use emojis.
Klaus must hate Americans. That must be it.
How about Ax? Can he fix it?
Why is everyone stifling my access to emojis???????
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White House says Trump will issue an executive order tomorrow pertaining to social media.
Will he try to overturn the first amendment by executive order?
Or will this be some retreat that will only fool the left side of the distribution of his base?
Or is there a third option?
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@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:
White House says Trump will issue an executive order tomorrow pertaining to social media.
Will he try to overturn the first amendment by executive order?
Or will this be some retreat that will only fool the left side of the distribution of his base?
Or is there a third option?
I wish him a lot of luck with that. The silver lining may be a real discussion of what social media is doing to society. It’s a cesspool.
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@Jolly said in Spot the threat to free speech:
Twitter was the media that helped elect Trump. Apparently, it embarrassed the management of Twitter and now they wish to change the rules to suit their purpose.
Very simple.
As a side note I wish there was something like blockchain that could prove and protect your identity. I suspect much of the crap generated is by entities who benefit from division in our country and that could even be our allies. Much cheaper than any spy craft aimed at creating FUD.
I don’t believe the polarization is even half internally generated.
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@Jolly Twitter is all about hot takes and fast information.
If a trade happens in sports, a breaking news event, a fire in your city, an ongoing police situation, or just discussing the news.
It happens first on Twitter. That’s the special sauce.
E.g. in SF during fires - I smelled smoke outside. I twittered “SF fire” and multiple people were talking about it. You can’t get news articles that fast.
Horrible medium for discourse. It’s just a shouting / popularity contest.
The President’s particular brand of communication could work just as well on Facebook.
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Loki:
"I wish him a lot of luck with that. The silver lining may be a real discussion of what social media is doing to society. It’s a cesspool."And that would be typical Trump. Cause an explosion, everyone freaks out, and the subject becomes the center of conversation, everyone focuses upon it.
Intentional, or not. Or, as Bret Weinstein's wife Heather put it, Trump is in her estimation, "a political savant" in that he has an instinct for how he wants to get things done, like winning a presidential election, does everything wrong according to everybody, and then smirks like the Cheshire cat.
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@taiwan_girl said in Spot the threat to free speech:
In this case, how did Twitter limit the free speech of President Trump?
He put out a tweet. Nothing was censored. It was allowed in real time. Etc etc
Do you know what free speech is, and what it means to protect It? Free speech is not about the right to say things someone else agrees with. Free speech is about protecting the right for someone to say something you DONT agree with. The Left used to love saying "I may not like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Not any more. Now if you say anything the Left doesn't like they call you names and try to remove it.
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