Spot the threat to free speech

[Copper]

Not Twitter and not Mr. Trump, but maybe part of the discussion

I just noticed this partially censored post on Facebook

Why even bother censoring this?


[Rainman]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Spot the threat to free speech:

It's interesting how quickly "conservatives" start talking about stifling the free market when it doesn't behave how they want it to.

Well, I'm somewhat conservative, and I do not want to stifle the free market.
Ohyeah??
How about: Progressives don't want to stifle the free market, because they don't want a free market to begin with.
Stick that under your porch and try to sweep it.

emoji goes here --> but KLAUS I can't use emojis.
Klaus must hate Americans. That must be it.
How about Ax? Can he fix it?
Why is everyone stifling my access to emojis???????
<-- I added that one the old fashioned way.

[jon-nyc]

White House says Trump will issue an executive order tomorrow pertaining to social media.

Will he try to overturn the first amendment by executive order?

Or will this be some retreat that will only fool the left side of the distribution of his base?

Or is there a third option?

[Loki]

@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:

White House says Trump will issue an executive order tomorrow pertaining to social media.

Will he try to overturn the first amendment by executive order?

Or will this be some retreat that will only fool the left side of the distribution of his base?

Or is there a third option?

I wish him a lot of luck with that. The silver lining may be a real discussion of what social media is doing to society. It’s a cesspool.

[Jolly]

Twitter was the media that helped elect Trump. Apparently, it embarrassed the management of Twitter and now they wish to change the rules to suit their purpose.

Very simple.

[Loki]

@Jolly said in Spot the threat to free speech:

Twitter was the media that helped elect Trump. Apparently, it embarrassed the management of Twitter and now they wish to change the rules to suit their purpose.

Very simple.

As a side note I wish there was something like blockchain that could prove and protect your identity. I suspect much of the crap generated is by entities who benefit from division in our country and that could even be our allies. Much cheaper than any spy craft aimed at creating FUD.

I don’t believe the polarization is even half internally generated.

[Jolly]

I've said before, I don't do Twitter. I'll comment on stuff here that was originally posted on Twitter or reference it as a thread starter, because I've read a Tweet in an op-ed, but I don't care to wade off into it.

Too much noise.

[xenon]

@Jolly Twitter is all about hot takes and fast information.

If a trade happens in sports, a breaking news event, a fire in your city, an ongoing police situation, or just discussing the news.

It happens first on Twitter. That’s the special sauce.

E.g. in SF during fires - I smelled smoke outside. I twittered “SF fire” and multiple people were talking about it. You can’t get news articles that fast.

Horrible medium for discourse. It’s just a shouting / popularity contest.

The President’s particular brand of communication could work just as well on Facebook.

[Rainman]

Loki:
"I wish him a lot of luck with that. The silver lining may be a real discussion of what social media is doing to society. It’s a cesspool."

And that would be typical Trump. Cause an explosion, everyone freaks out, and the subject becomes the center of conversation, everyone focuses upon it.

Intentional, or not. Or, as Bret Weinstein's wife Heather put it, Trump is in her estimation, "a political savant" in that he has an instinct for how he wants to get things done, like winning a presidential election, does everything wrong according to everybody, and then smirks like the Cheshire cat.

[Larry]

@taiwan_girl said in Spot the threat to free speech:

In this case, how did Twitter limit the free speech of President Trump?

He put out a tweet. Nothing was censored. It was allowed in real time. Etc etc

Do you know what free speech is, and what it means to protect It? Free speech is not about the right to say things someone else agrees with. Free speech is about protecting the right for someone to say something you DONT agree with. The Left used to love saying "I may not like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Not any more. Now if you say anything the Left doesn't like they call you names and try to remove it.

[Loki]

@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:

Is it:

A). A private company making editorial decisions on its own platform.

B). The President of the United States vaguely threatening a private company for making editorial decisions on its own platform

Well we now know that the exec order says if you do that you lose liability protections and fed funding. Will have to survive court challenges but is probably a good issue for base politics.

[Doctor Phibes]

He should have demanded to speak to the manager.

[jon-nyc]

@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:

Well we now know that the exec order says if you do that you lose liability protections and fed funding. Will have to survive court challenges but is probably a good issue for base politics.

Seems like the greater liability threat will make them more likely to censor.

Kinda makes you wonder if Trump thought this through....

[Loki]

@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:

@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:

Well we now know that the exec order says if you do that you lose liability protections and fed funding. Will have to survive court challenges but is probably a good issue for base politics.

Seems like the greater liability threat will make them more likely to censor.

Kinda makes you wonder if Trump thought this through....

I read quickly and thought the take was if you don’t censor (I.e. conservatives) you’ll be fine.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:

@Loki said in Spot the threat to free speech:

Kinda makes you wonder if Trump thought this through....

You're a funny guy

[Axtremus]

Trump signs executive order targeting Twitter after fact-checking row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52843986

The executive order:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship/

[Klaus]

I read the executive order.

While I do think that Trump's tweets are often unbearable and embarrassing, I do think that Twitter went too far. I'm actually glad that they flagged Trump's posts and provoked this escalation. Twitter has been doing this for years to other less visible Twitter users. Now it gets drawn into the spotlight. The companies shouldn't have both immunity from any responsibility for the content on their platform and freedom to censor as they like. They should have to decide for one of those things and then not have the other.

[jon-nyc]

I agree this was really stupid for twitter to do but the law was designed to do just that.

All this executive order will do is set in motion a bunch of litigation until congress rewrites the law, if they ever do.

[Klaus]

@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:

but the law was designed to do just that.

To do what?

[Klaus]

@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:

All this executive order will do is set in motion a bunch of litigation

But litigation can be expensive and behavior-changing, no?

(I have no idea what that EO actually entails in the real world)