Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 20:41 last edited by@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
Good points. Basically what Trump (and Obama) said. However, his message from last week, "YOYO" seemed pretty tone-deaf.
But, the execution is different from the policy. The execution here has been awful.
Secure your friend, secure your personnel and get the hell out.
This hasn't happened, afaict.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Probably winking and smiling.
Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'
In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
“When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
He has balls talking about slavery. Let’s see what happens to all the women in Afghanistan.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 20:54 last edited by Doctor Phibes@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He has balls talking about slavery.
He's also got a bloody nerve complaining about English education. The guy went to Oxford.
Of course, he playing to his audience, and it ain't us.
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@xenon said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.
The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.
Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
Every time a TDS sufferer considers criticizing Biden out loud, their mind fills with the specter of what the other tribe might choose in his place, and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 21:17 last edited by@horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.
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@horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.
Ok... that was a good one.wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 21:20 last edited by@improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.
Ok... that was a good one.How the HELL did I miss that?
Post of the week.
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 21:40 last edited by
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Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 21:43 last edited by@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.
That’s all well and good, though I disagree with him (as I disagreed with Trump)… That’s not the point right now… Right now the point is what a piss poor job they did with planning this and how many lives they are costing by this abominable execution of the plan.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Secure for who though really? Our ability to evacuate our people or not secure for commercial flights?
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@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
Haven't seen it. Got a link?
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 21:52 last edited by@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
Haven't seen it. Got a link?
They say they were hacked…
https://news.yahoo.com/afghan-embassy-india-sent-tweet-030153441.html -
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/
Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/
Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”
wrote on 17 Aug 2021, 11:40 last edited by@axtremus said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/
Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”
Seen on twitter.
"There are three ways wars end.
- You win
- You negotiate a peace
- You lose."
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…
wrote on 17 Aug 2021, 16:57 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…
But then half this country became obsessed with the "correct" pronoun to use, which bathroom a biological male could use, what statues to tear down, which stores to loot and burn and all the other bullshit they now find so compelling.
I haven't seen ANY protests or outcry's for what the women in Afghanistan now face. Where's METOO? Where's all the pussyhat nutjobs now?
Crickets...
Just a bunch of bullshit now. I've heard the flush. I see the water swirling in the bowl. Just waiting for it all to go down the drain. We're well on our way.
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What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
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What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
wrote on 17 Aug 2021, 23:24 last edited by@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
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@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 00:21 last edited by@larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
Very Interesting.
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@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
wrote on 18 Aug 2021, 11:51 last edited by@larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
As Quirt would undoubtedly say, if not spell, colour me skeptical.
I was only joking
