Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.
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@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
Good points. Basically what Trump (and Obama) said. However, his message from last week, "YOYO" seemed pretty tone-deaf.
But, the execution is different from the policy. The execution here has been awful.
Secure your friend, secure your personnel and get the hell out.
This hasn't happened, afaict.
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@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He has balls talking about slavery.
He's also got a bloody nerve complaining about English education. The guy went to Oxford.
Of course, he playing to his audience, and it ain't us.
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@improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.
Ok... that was a good one.How the HELL did I miss that?
Post of the week.
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@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.
That’s all well and good, though I disagree with him (as I disagreed with Trump)… That’s not the point right now… Right now the point is what a piss poor job they did with planning this and how many lives they are costing by this abominable execution of the plan.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
Haven't seen it. Got a link?
They say they were hacked…
https://news.yahoo.com/afghan-embassy-india-sent-tweet-030153441.html -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/
Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”
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@axtremus said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/we-lost-war-afghanistan-long-ago/
Fared Zakaria: “We lost the war in Afghanistan long ago. … This withdrawal has been poorly planned and executed. But the naked truth is this: There is no elegant way to lose a war.”
Seen on twitter.
"There are three ways wars end.
- You win
- You negotiate a peace
- You lose."
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
It’s also shared by all of the American people by lacking the will and the fortitude to do what was necessary. This was discussed on TOCR and in jgoo’s place when the wars first started. We were questioning whether we had the fortitude ro have a permanent strong presence in Afghanistan. We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…
Me/rry/Christmas
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@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
We knew at the time this wasn’t a 5 year mission, a 20 year mission, or even a 50 year mission. We looked at it like Korea…
But then half this country became obsessed with the "correct" pronoun to use, which bathroom a biological male could use, what statues to tear down, which stores to loot and burn and all the other bullshit they now find so compelling.
I haven't seen ANY protests or outcry's for what the women in Afghanistan now face. Where's METOO? Where's all the pussyhat nutjobs now?
Crickets...
Just a bunch of bullshit now. I've heard the flush. I see the water swirling in the bowl. Just waiting for it all to go down the drain. We're well on our way.
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What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
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@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
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@larry said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
What does everyone think about the release of Mullah Baradar under Trump, co founder of the Taliban, and now apparently in charge?
The Trump administration had struck a deal with this guy where he agreed to make the Taliban more civil and less terroristic. In spite of the cluster fuck Biden has caused, this seems to be working, as the Taliban leadership held a press conference vowing to not seek retribution, to allow women more civil rights, including the right to attend school. In fact, if they follow through on all the things they said, Afghanistan could end up less like Iran and more like Saudi Arabia, relatively peaceful but a strict Islamic state.
Very Interesting.
