Trump to unveil healthcare plan
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@xenon said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
@Copper said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
@xenon said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
My point is that there’s a mistaken assumption that market forces are somehow controlling cost in this country.
They are not. That’s a market failure.
The market is just fine.
Obamacare is a very small part of the picture. And obamacare users participate in the market.
So does whoever gives you your insurance - go ask them. They will tell you they spend a lot of time watching the market.
You should go talk to Larry, he says there's no market and thinks you're a moron. He's already explained it.
Go on.
Go ask your friends in HR if there is a market.
Even better tell them you don't want their handouts anymore. You want to participate in the market.
I guess you missed it above when I took the time to answer your question about expensive plans with high quality. Here is one I used: https://www.mdvip.com/
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@Copper said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
@xenon said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
@Copper said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
@xenon said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
My point is that there’s a mistaken assumption that market forces are somehow controlling cost in this country.
They are not. That’s a market failure.
The market is just fine.
Obamacare is a very small part of the picture. And obamacare users participate in the market.
So does whoever gives you your insurance - go ask them. They will tell you they spend a lot of time watching the market.
You should go talk to Larry, he says there's no market and thinks you're a moron. He's already explained it.
Go on.
Go ask your friends in HR if there is a market.
Even better tell them you don't want their handouts anymore. You want to participate in the market.
I guess you missed it above when I took the time to answer your question about expensive plans with high quality. Here is one I used: https://www.mdvip.com/
Sorry I didn't respond. But if I understood you correctly, you switched networks to follow a doctor who moved to another network.
You're not going to pay more or less within that network for doctors (presumably they're not all of the exact same quality in that network).
And I'm not saying there's not higher quality networks, or that there aren't plans with "better" coverage.
I'm saying - there's very little adjustment of the standard of care across doctors.
Would you agree that there is more treatment we can throw at patients now than 20 years ago? Wouldn't that increase cost? How is that controlled?
Who decides when enough treatment and enough dollars have been spent on a patient? Who is looking at the outcomes / $ spent on specific treatments?
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@Larry said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
Xenon fails to understand that there is a market AFTER government involvement, which is a different situation then the market that existed BEFORE government involvement.
I understood what you said. My question for you was, when did this fundamental shift from before government to after government happen?
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@Larry said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
Are you even aware that networks are a result of government interference stifling competition?
Sure - that may be the case. That's not inconsistent with what I'm saying.
There's no one in the system now - doctors, patients, insurers - who is controlling cost.
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@Larry said in Trump to unveil healthcare plan:
Are you aware that the world existed before 1985?
So what's the formula then? What changed in the 70's that could bring cost control mechanisms back to the healthcare market?
Can we at least agree that much of the cost of care is going up because we have way more advanced, numerous and expensive therapies than in the past?
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