Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. NYT publishes Trump tax returns

NYT publishes Trump tax returns

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
177 Posts 20 Posters 2.9k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • JollyJ Jolly

    @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

    I do. A lot.

    If his can be posted with impunity, so can anybody else's.

    I want to see Hunter Biden's.

    In fact, I want to see whomever I choose, on demand.

    KlausK Offline
    KlausK Offline
    Klaus
    wrote on last edited by Klaus
    #48

    @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

    Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

    I do. A lot.

    If his can be posted with impunity, so can anybody else's.

    I want to see Hunter Biden's.

    In fact, I want to see whomever I choose, on demand.

    Well, if laws were broken, then that should be sorted out in a lawsuit involving Trump and the culprits, and the appropriate sentences should be handed out.

    But that doesn't change anything about the conclusions the public can draw from that material. This is not a "tainted evidence that cannot be used in a lawsuit" kind of situation.

    1 Reply Last reply
    • Aqua LetiferA Offline
      Aqua LetiferA Offline
      Aqua Letifer
      wrote on last edited by
      #49

      Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

      Please love yourself.

      Doctor PhibesD LuFins DadL 89th8 3 Replies Last reply
      • LarryL Larry

        @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

        Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

        Donald Trump. If a newspaper released ten or twenty years worth of your tax returns, you'd care too. Espe silly if it had been released by a bunch of jackals who were bent on destroying you.

        KlausK Offline
        KlausK Offline
        Klaus
        wrote on last edited by
        #50

        @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

        @Klaus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

        Now that the information is out there, who cares whether that was legal?

        Donald Trump. If a newspaper released ten or twenty years worth of your tax returns, you'd care too. Espe silly if it had been released by a bunch of jackals who were bent on destroying you.

        Yes, Trump has reason to care about the release. But I'm saying it makes no difference to the public.

        1 Reply Last reply
        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
          Doctor PhibesD Offline
          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by
          #51

          @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

          Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

          Don't call them devotees, they don't like it. A more acceptable term is 'Supporters of the single greatest President this Republic has ever seen'.

          I was only joking

          1 Reply Last reply
          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

            Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

            LuFins DadL Offline
            LuFins DadL Offline
            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by
            #52

            @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

            Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

            Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

            The Brad

            Doctor PhibesD L 2 Replies Last reply
            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

              Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

              Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
              Doctor PhibesD Offline
              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
              #53

              @LuFins-Dad said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

              Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

              Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

              This might be more believable if he hadn't refused to release his returns in the first place. Or maybe boasting about doing something you've been trying to cover up is the next level 5D chess.

              I was only joking

              LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                L Offline
                L Offline
                Loki
                wrote on last edited by
                #54

                @LuFins-Dad said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                Really good points and any good tax advisory service would point out all the things they were doing to your tax return. Duh

                1 Reply Last reply
                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @LuFins-Dad said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                  Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                  This might be more believable if he hadn't refused to release his returns in the first place. Or maybe boasting about doing something you've been trying to cover up is the next level 5D chess.

                  LuFins DadL Offline
                  LuFins DadL Offline
                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #55

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                  Don't the details that were publicized mean that either he's using loopholes, legal though they may be, or he's not the successful captain of industry his devotees make him out to be?

                  Yes, I tend to think that a big part of it is loopholes. A lot of shell games. Frankly, Trump can and should use this to his advantage. Point out that yes, it is ridiculous that he spent $750 in taxes, but hey, that’s the rules and system that Mr. Biden and Biden’s friends in Congress set up. He simply played by their rules. Not his fault he was better at it then they were... But this the very reason why he, Donald Trump, has been working to simplify the tax system and do away with this Byzantine system...

                  This might be more believable if he hadn't refused to release his returns in the first place. Or maybe boasting about doing something you've been trying to cover up is the next level 5D chess.

                  The fact is that the numbers the Times are reporting are useless without context. Compensation takes place in ALOT of ways, a lot of which don’t show up on a P&L.

                  The Brad

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • LarryL Larry

                    @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    I looked it up - just the golf courses alone generated 1.9 billion dollars in profit during his first 3 years in office.

                    Nonsense.

                    I stand corrected. The figure is for all his businesses, and it was gross, not net. Still, that's far from being broke, and everything else I said still stands.

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/11/trumps-businesses-raked-in-19-billion-of-revenue-during-his-first-three-years-in-office/

                    jon-nycJ Offline
                    jon-nycJ Offline
                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #56

                    @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    @Larry said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                    I looked it up - just the golf courses alone generated 1.9 billion dollars in profit during his first 3 years in office.

                    Nonsense.

                    I stand corrected. The figure is for all his businesses, and it was gross, not net. Still, that's far from being broke, and everything else I said still stands.

                    Nope they have the returns for the whole Trump organization, not just his personal returns. In fact, they're missing 2018 and 2019 of his personal returns.

                    The Forbes piece was just estimates.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                    1 Reply Last reply
                    • LuFins DadL Offline
                      LuFins DadL Offline
                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #57

                      And the NYT figures are “We promise! Trust us!” numbers without context or supporting docs...

                      The Brad

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      • jon-nycJ Offline
                        jon-nycJ Offline
                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #58

                        I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                        1 Reply Last reply
                        • AxtremusA Offline
                          AxtremusA Offline
                          Axtremus
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #59

                          @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                          I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
                          "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

                          George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                          • CopperC Offline
                            CopperC Offline
                            Copper
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #60

                            OK, so we are informed.

                            Now let's lock up the sources.

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                              I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
                              "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

                              George KG Offline
                              George KG Offline
                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #61

                              @Axtremus said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                              @jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                              I wonder if there's a legal reason for them not to release the actual docs or if they would identify the source.

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html
                              "We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public."

                              Give it 3 months. It'll all come out who they are. The only way for two or more people to keep a secret like this is for only one of them to be alive.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              • jon-nycJ Offline
                                jon-nycJ Offline
                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #62

                                I'm a bit curious if the legality depends on the source.

                                Obviously it's illegal for an IRS employee to leak them. But is it an actual crime if, say, the secretary at the accounting firm does? I could imagine that going either way. Obviously they'd face professional and civil repercussions.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                                1 Reply Last reply
                                • JollyJ Offline
                                  JollyJ Offline
                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #63

                                  They need to go to jail.

                                  Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                                  X 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    They need to go to jail.

                                    Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                                    X Offline
                                    X Offline
                                    xenon
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #64

                                    @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                    They need to go to jail.

                                    Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                                    The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                                    That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                                    I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                                    JollyJ L 2 Replies Last reply
                                    • X xenon

                                      @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      They need to go to jail.

                                      Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                                      The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                                      That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                                      I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                                      JollyJ Offline
                                      JollyJ Offline
                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #65

                                      @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                      They need to go to jail.

                                      Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                                      The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                                      That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                                      I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                                      Yep, once it's out, it's out.

                                      Somebody needs to go to jail.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                                      AxtremusA 1 Reply Last reply
                                      • X xenon

                                        @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                        They need to go to jail.

                                        Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                                        The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                                        That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                                        I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                                        L Offline
                                        L Offline
                                        Loki
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #66

                                        @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                        @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                        They need to go to jail.

                                        Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                                        The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                                        That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                                        That’s what this year taught me.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @xenon said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                          @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                          They need to go to jail.

                                          Trump. Biden. Clinton. I don't care. For stuff like this, somebody needs to go to jail.

                                          The leak sounds illegal (I don't really know of any legal ways to leak a tax return).

                                          That said - once the info is out, it's out.

                                          I dunno what it means, haven't had a chance to look through myself yet.

                                          Yep, once it's out, it's out.

                                          Somebody needs to go to jail.

                                          AxtremusA Offline
                                          AxtremusA Offline
                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #67

                                          @Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:

                                          Somebody needs to go to jail.

                                          alt text

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups