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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
    #32

    I don’t know. I suspect the turnaround time varies by state. And even within states.

    Some states report positives, negatives, and total tested and you can see there’s a delay.

    Some states don’t do that. At least from what I’ve seen.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      I don’t know. I suspect the turnaround time varies by state. And even within states.

      Some states report positives, negatives, and total tested and you can see there’s a delay.

      Some states don’t do that. At least from what I’ve seen.

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      wrote on last edited by
      #33

      I don’t know what the average lag is but I suspect it’s about 5 days. Clinicians are getting the quicker tests but many are going to the 18,000 or so labs around the country.

      I think you need to think about that to understand why people believe NY is peaking now.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

        NYC - 72,181 - 7% increase
        NJ - 41,090
        MI - 17,221
        Nassau - 15,616
        CA - 15,332
        LA - 14,867 - 14% increase
        Westchester - 14,294
        Suffolk - 14,185 - 14% increase
        MA - 13,387
        FL - 13,317

        NYC - 76,876 - 7%
        NJ - 44,416
        MI - 17,221 - same as yesterday, clearly not updated
        Nassau County - 16,610
        CA - 16,429
        LA - 16,284
        PA - 14,852
        Westchester - 14,804 - 4%
        Suffolk County - 14,517
        FL - 14,504
        MA - 15,202. - 13.5%
        IL - 12,266

        If I didn't note the percentage, it's under 10.

        jon-nycJ Offline
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        wrote on last edited by
        #34

        @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

        NYC - 76,876 - 7%
        NJ - 44,416
        MI - 17,221 - same as yesterday, clearly not updated
        Nassau County - 16,610
        CA - 16,429
        LA - 16,284
        PA - 14,852
        Westchester - 14,804 - 4%
        Suffolk County - 14,517
        FL - 14,504
        MA - 15,202. - 13.5%
        IL - 12,266

        NYC - 81,803 - 6%
        NJ - 47,437
        MI - 20,346
        Nassau - 18.548 - 12%
        CA - 17,803
        LA - 17,030
        Suffolk - 17,008 - 17%
        PA - 16,631 - 12%
        Westchester - 15,887 - 7%
        FL - 15,202

        Again, no %age means <10%

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • RainmanR Offline
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          #35

          The feds cannot demand, but they could ask each state for standardization of input.

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            #36

            https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html

            Genome study says most New York cases of COVID-19 came from Europe.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              #37

              And where did the European cases come from?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • RainmanR Rainman

                The feds cannot demand, but they could ask each state for standardization of input.

                CopperC Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
                #38

                @Rainman said in NYC is ground zero:

                The feds cannot demand, but they could ask each state for standardization of input.

                I used to collect and report this data - 40+ years ago

                Where does the time go?

                I assume systems have changed since then

                https://wwwn.cdc.gov/nndss/data-collection.html

                @cdc said in [Notifiable Disease Surveillance Starts at State and Local Levels]

                Notifiable Disease Surveillance Starts at State and Local Levels

                CDC receives case notifications from 57 reporting jurisdictions. Each state has laws requiring certain diseases be reported at the state level, but it is voluntary for states to provide information or notifications to CDC at the federal level. The notifiable diseases data voluntarily shared by these 57 jurisdictions represents only a portion of the public health surveillance data that jurisdictions collect and use to make decisions and conduct public health activities in their communities (e.g., outbreak detection and control). There are several important distinctions between a reportable disease and a notifiable disease.

                It is mandatory that reportable disease cases be reported to state and territorial jurisdictions when identified by a health provider, hospital, or laboratory. This type of required reporting uses personal identifiers and enables the states to identify cases where immediate disease control and prevention is needed. Each state has its own laws and regulations defining what diseases are reportable. The list of reportable diseases varies among states and over time.
                It is voluntary that notifiable disease cases be reported to CDC by state and territorial jurisdictions (without direct personal identifiers) for nationwide aggregation and monitoring of disease data. Regular, frequent, timely information on individual cases is considered necessary to monitor disease trends, identify populations or geographic areas at high risk, formulate and assess prevention and control strategies, and formulate public health policies. The list of notifiable diseases varies over time and by state. The list of national notifiable diseases is reviewed and modified annually by the CSTE and CDC. Every national notifiable disease is not necessarily reportable in each state. In addition, not every state reportable condition is national notifiable.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                  NYC - 76,876 - 7%
                  NJ - 44,416
                  MI - 17,221 - same as yesterday, clearly not updated
                  Nassau County - 16,610
                  CA - 16,429
                  LA - 16,284
                  PA - 14,852
                  Westchester - 14,804 - 4%
                  Suffolk County - 14,517
                  FL - 14,504
                  MA - 15,202. - 13.5%
                  IL - 12,266

                  NYC - 81,803 - 6%
                  NJ - 47,437
                  MI - 20,346
                  Nassau - 18.548 - 12%
                  CA - 17,803
                  LA - 17,030
                  Suffolk - 17,008 - 17%
                  PA - 16,631 - 12%
                  Westchester - 15,887 - 7%
                  FL - 15,202

                  Again, no %age means <10%

                  jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #39

                  @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                  NYC - 81,803 - 6%
                  NJ - 47,437
                  MI - 20,346
                  Nassau - 18.548 - 12%
                  CA - 17,803
                  LA - 17,030
                  Suffolk - 17,008 - 17%
                  PA - 16,631 - 12%
                  Westchester - 15,887 - 7%
                  FL - 15,202

                  Again, no %age means <10%

                  NYC - 87,028 - 6.4%
                  NJ - 51,027
                  MI - 21.504
                  Nassau - 20,140
                  CA - 19,131
                  PA - 18,300 - 10%
                  LA - 18,283
                  Suffolk - 17,413
                  Westchester - 17,004 - 7%
                  MA - 16,790
                  FL - 16,364
                  IL - 15,078

                  NYC more than China (claimed) cases now. PA is the only state up 10%

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                    NYC - 81,803 - 6%
                    NJ - 47,437
                    MI - 20,346
                    Nassau - 18.548 - 12%
                    CA - 17,803
                    LA - 17,030
                    Suffolk - 17,008 - 17%
                    PA - 16,631 - 12%
                    Westchester - 15,887 - 7%
                    FL - 15,202

                    Again, no %age means <10%

                    NYC - 87,028 - 6.4%
                    NJ - 51,027
                    MI - 21.504
                    Nassau - 20,140
                    CA - 19,131
                    PA - 18,300 - 10%
                    LA - 18,283
                    Suffolk - 17,413
                    Westchester - 17,004 - 7%
                    MA - 16,790
                    FL - 16,364
                    IL - 15,078

                    NYC more than China (claimed) cases now. PA is the only state up 10%

                    jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #40

                    @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                    NYC - 87,028 - 6.4%
                    NJ - 51,027
                    MI - 21.504
                    Nassau - 20,140
                    CA - 19,131
                    PA - 18,300 - 10%
                    LA - 18,283
                    Suffolk - 17,413
                    Westchester - 17,004 - 7%
                    MA - 16,790
                    FL - 16,364
                    IL - 15,078

                    Not updated in 3 days, but I'm computing daily averages.

                    NYC - 103,208 - 5.8%
                    NJ - 61,850
                    MI - 24,028
                    Nassau - 23, 553
                    PA - 22,938
                    MA - 22,860 - 10.8% daily ave growth
                    CA 22,439
                    Suffolk - 20,934
                    IL - 20,848 - 11.4% daily average growth
                    LA - 20,595
                    FL - 19,347
                    Westchester - 19,313 - 4.3%

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                      NYC - 87,028 - 6.4%
                      NJ - 51,027
                      MI - 21.504
                      Nassau - 20,140
                      CA - 19,131
                      PA - 18,300 - 10%
                      LA - 18,283
                      Suffolk - 17,413
                      Westchester - 17,004 - 7%
                      MA - 16,790
                      FL - 16,364
                      IL - 15,078

                      Not updated in 3 days, but I'm computing daily averages.

                      NYC - 103,208 - 5.8%
                      NJ - 61,850
                      MI - 24,028
                      Nassau - 23, 553
                      PA - 22,938
                      MA - 22,860 - 10.8% daily ave growth
                      CA 22,439
                      Suffolk - 20,934
                      IL - 20,848 - 11.4% daily average growth
                      LA - 20,595
                      FL - 19,347
                      Westchester - 19,313 - 4.3%

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #41

                      @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                      NYC - 103,208 - 5.8%
                      NJ - 61,850
                      MI - 24,028
                      Nassau - 23, 553
                      PA - 22,938
                      MA - 22,860 - 10.8% daily ave growth
                      CA 22,439
                      Suffolk - 20,934
                      IL - 20,848 - 11.4% daily average growth
                      LA - 20,595
                      FL - 19,347
                      Westchester - 19,313 - 4.3%

                      NYC - 106,763 - 3.5%
                      NJ -64,584
                      MA - 26,793 - 17% growth
                      Nassau - 24,358
                      PA - 24,292
                      MI - 24,244 - seems like it's not fully updated. 16 more cases than yesterday?
                      CA - 23,585
                      IL - 22,024
                      Suffolk - 21,643
                      LA - 21,016
                      FL - 20,601
                      Westchester - 19,786 up 2.5%

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        #42

                        Louisiana has calmed way the hell down,

                        The Brad

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                          #43

                          It looks like we're (MA) spiking now.

                          I was only joking

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #44

                            Which seems odd.

                            The Brad

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                            • jon-nycJ Offline
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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #45

                              I've really only paid close attention to NY numbers.

                              But in my peripheral vision noting these other states, sometimes I see the numbers jump around in fits and starts. Could be uneven testing, could be the frequency with which JH updates their data. Or something else.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                                NYC - 103,208 - 5.8%
                                NJ - 61,850
                                MI - 24,028
                                Nassau - 23, 553
                                PA - 22,938
                                MA - 22,860 - 10.8% daily ave growth
                                CA 22,439
                                Suffolk - 20,934
                                IL - 20,848 - 11.4% daily average growth
                                LA - 20,595
                                FL - 19,347
                                Westchester - 19,313 - 4.3%

                                NYC - 106,763 - 3.5%
                                NJ -64,584
                                MA - 26,793 - 17% growth
                                Nassau - 24,358
                                PA - 24,292
                                MI - 24,244 - seems like it's not fully updated. 16 more cases than yesterday?
                                CA - 23,585
                                IL - 22,024
                                Suffolk - 21,643
                                LA - 21,016
                                FL - 20,601
                                Westchester - 19,786 up 2.5%

                                jon-nycJ Offline
                                jon-nycJ Offline
                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #46

                                @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                                NYC - 106,763 - 3.5%
                                NJ -64,584
                                MA - 26,793 - 17% growth
                                Nassau - 24,358
                                PA - 24,292
                                MI - 24,244 - seems like it's not fully updated. 16 more cases than yesterday?
                                CA - 23,585
                                IL - 22,024
                                Suffolk - 21,643
                                LA - 21,016
                                FL - 20,601
                                Westchester - 19,786 up 2.5%

                                NYC - 118,302 - up 5.2% daily
                                NJ - 71,030
                                MA - 29,852
                                MI - 28,059
                                PA - 26,753
                                Nassau - 26,715
                                CA - 26,666
                                Suffolk - 23,278
                                IL - 23,248
                                FL - 22,511
                                LA - 21,951
                                Westchester - 20,947 up 3%
                                Cook - 16,323
                                Texas 15,687

                                Cook County would be in 10th place if it were a state (consolidating all NY).

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #47

                                  Seriously, what happened to slow down Florida and Louisiana?

                                  The Brad

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                                    #48

                                    Same thing that happened everywhere else. the virus turned 40 days old, got bored, and slowed down Social distancing has its intended effect.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Same thing that happened everywhere else. the virus turned 40 days old, got bored, and slowed down Social distancing has its intended effect.

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                                      #49

                                      @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                                      Same thing that happened everywhere else. the virus turned 40 days old, got bored, and slowed down

                                      😀

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        Same thing that happened everywhere else. the virus turned 40 days old, got bored, and slowed down Social distancing has its intended effect.

                                        JollyJ Offline
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                                        #50

                                        @jon-nyc said in NYC is ground zero:

                                        Same thing that happened everywhere else. the virus turned 40 days old, got bored, and slowed down Social distancing has its intended effect.

                                        Read about my experience at WallyWorld.

                                        Social distancing? I say "hah!" to your face...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          #51

                                          I read it, and I get it. But ‘social distancing’ isn’t a binary metric set either to 1 or 0.

                                          Schools closed? Check. Universities? Check. Concerts canceled? Check. Sporting events canceled? Check. Etc. etc.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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