ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis
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@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Right, and the US can't declare war on a country without a vote by Congress.
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Right, and the US can't declare war on a country without a vote by Congress.
Yes, that's true too. Loopholes around military action without declaring war, take that up with most presidents.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/off-duty-twin-cities-officers-profiled-ice/
Police chief says 'Off-duty Twin Cities officers among those "targeted" by ICE agents looking for proof of U.S. citizenship' ...
"I wish I could tell you that this was an isolated incident. In fact, many of the chiefs standing behind me have similar incidents with their off-duty officers," [police chief] Bruley said.
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Public opinion on ICE:
Over 80% of Republicans think ICE's enforcement are "just right" or want ICE to go even harder.
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I think if everyone saw what was really happening (or again, just go on reddit) absolutely no one would think they're doing about right or not enough. It's appalling.
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I think if everyone saw what was really happening (or again, just go on reddit) …
Republicans choose to consume different media. E.g., they may choose FoxNews-like outlets that air segments on government welfare fraud rather than ICE activities in Minnesota. You may not be effective at getting the Republicans to see “what was really happening.”
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@jon-nyc said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
It was one of the ‘fuck you, bitch’ shots that killed her.
The "bitch" comment wasn't even from the shooter, last I heard. But yes it's long been stipulated that there were shots from the side of the car, after the first from the front. Any one of them may have stochastically entered her head. You are really interestingly precious about this situation that, if the politics were reversed, you'd just be silently happy about. As you were with Ashley Babbit.
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Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
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@Renauda said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
He just as well have shot her in the back of head.
Summary execution style, right? Yeah that’s exactly what that situation was. None of these garbage pieces of rhetoric helps. It’s just cathartic to the person saying it. Meanwhile, it just increases the temperature. But hey, elbows up.
Education is extremely important.
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Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
And how many times in your life has someone who is demonstrably antagonistic to you accelerated their SUV towards you such that if you don’t move exactly then, you get crushed? That’s happened to you zero times. Don’t answer please. But hey you know 10 Capitol police who committed suicide because they were employed to quell a riot. So you know. You really know.
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@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
And how many times in your life has someone who is demonstrably antagonistic to you accelerated their SUV towards you such that if you don’t move exactly then, you get crushed? That’s happened to you zero times. Don’t answer please. But hey you know 10 Capitol police who committed suicide because they were employed to quell a riot. So you know. You really know.
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
And how many times in your life has someone who is demonstrably antagonistic to you accelerated their SUV towards you such that if you don’t move exactly then, you get crushed? That’s happened to you zero times. Don’t answer please.
Sorry, you know me.
Zero times is correct, because if I think someone is going to potentially use deadly force with their vehicle, zero times have I decided "hey I'm still going to walk in front of it while holding my camera".
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@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
And how many times in your life has someone who is demonstrably antagonistic to you accelerated their SUV towards you such that if you don’t move exactly then, you get crushed? That’s happened to you zero times. Don’t answer please.
Sorry, you know me.
Zero times is correct, because if I think someone is going to potentially use deadly force with their vehicle, zero times have I decided "hey I'm still going to walk in front of it while holding my camera".
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
And how many times in your life has someone who is demonstrably antagonistic to you accelerated their SUV towards you such that if you don’t move exactly then, you get crushed? That’s happened to you zero times. Don’t answer please.
Sorry, you know me.
Zero times is correct, because if I think someone is going to potentially use deadly force with their vehicle, zero times have I decided "hey I'm still going to walk in front of it while holding my camera".
It’s an interesting contrast with your weepiness about all the Capitol police suicides you were familiar with, as a result of the impossibility of living through Jan 6. As you like to note, when the political poles are reversed, attitudes change.
What was the tally of Capitol police officers who killed themselves due to the weight of living through Jan 6 again? As I recall, you kept close count. It could be up to like a thousand by now. I wouldn’t trade a single one of those magnificent heroes for a thousand fascist ICE officers. I’ll tell you that.
Education is extremely important.
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@Renauda said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
He just as well have shot her in the back of head.
Summary execution style, right? Yeah that’s exactly what that situation was. None of these garbage pieces of rhetoric helps. It’s just cathartic to the person saying it. Meanwhile, it just increases the temperature. But hey, elbows up.
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Renauda said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
He just as well have shot her in the back of head.
Summary execution style, right? Yeah that’s exactly what that situation was. None of these garbage pieces of rhetoric helps. It’s just cathartic to the person saying it. Meanwhile, it just increases the temperature. But hey, elbows up.
This week, you’re fuckin’ right. Elbows are up so stay out of the corners.
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@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Renauda said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
He just as well have shot her in the back of head.
Summary execution style, right? Yeah that’s exactly what that situation was. None of these garbage pieces of rhetoric helps. It’s just cathartic to the person saying it. Meanwhile, it just increases the temperature. But hey, elbows up.
This week, you’re fuckin’ right. Elbows are up so stay out of the corners.
