ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis
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MN can prosecute, either now or under the next Dem administration, if this current administration proves too meddlesome with their ability to build a case.
The temperature I gather of cooler legal minds does not bode well for any actual case here. Not that there aren't plenty of legal pundits who would claim otherwise.
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MN can prosecute, either now or under the next Dem administration, if this current administration proves too meddlesome with their ability to build a case.
The temperature I gather of cooler legal minds does not bode well for any actual case here. Not that there aren't plenty of legal pundits who would claim otherwise.
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
MN can prosecute, either now or under the next Dem administration, if this current administration proves too meddlesome with their ability to build a case.
You say that as though it's perfectly OK for the Federal government to interfere in a murder investigation.
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I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
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I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
I was only joking
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I would wager Trump has already pardoned him for errors and omissions. In his celestial magnificence, Trump is also currently absolving the forsaken officer of any alleged mortal sins associated with his actions. A legal pardon if required in future, will be like always with this POTUS, a mere performative and verbose formality sealed by a Sharpied scribble in the presence of his obsequious politburo minions, in front of the cameras and select media hounds.
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Here's a pic of an 11 year old and her 6 year old brother. They go to a school near me and were pulled out of class to be told their parents were taken by ICE yesterday 1/13. The dad was working on building local homes. You know, basically a murderer and drug dealer. The parents will likely be flown to Ecuador so they signed over temporary parental rights to a neighbor.
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@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Right, and the US can't declare war on a country without a vote by Congress.
I was only joking
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Tell that to Trump who ‘pardoned’ an election fraudster in Colorado then punished the state (canceled a federal water project) for not honoring it.
@jon-nyc said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Tell that to Trump who ‘pardoned’ an election fraudster in Colorado then punished the state (canceled a federal water project) for not honoring it.
No, that was retribution for CO's illegal machinations to remove Trump from the ballot. A scheme so blatantly unconstitutional that SCOTUS dunked on it unanimously. A scheme so corrupt that even Trump haters on this board disagreed with it. (One of the above claims is false.)
And the "pardoned" person remains in prison in CO. And there are appeals and discussions from the governor going on about how her sentence was unduly harsh.
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@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Right, and the US can't declare war on a country without a vote by Congress.
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Right, and the US can't declare war on a country without a vote by Congress.
Yes, that's true too. Loopholes around military action without declaring war, take that up with most presidents.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/off-duty-twin-cities-officers-profiled-ice/
Police chief says 'Off-duty Twin Cities officers among those "targeted" by ICE agents looking for proof of U.S. citizenship' ...
"I wish I could tell you that this was an isolated incident. In fact, many of the chiefs standing behind me have similar incidents with their off-duty officers," [police chief] Bruley said.
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Public opinion on ICE:
Over 80% of Republicans think ICE's enforcement are "just right" or want ICE to go even harder.
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I think if everyone saw what was really happening (or again, just go on reddit) absolutely no one would think they're doing about right or not enough. It's appalling.
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I think if everyone saw what was really happening (or again, just go on reddit) …
Republicans choose to consume different media. E.g., they may choose FoxNews-like outlets that air segments on government welfare fraud rather than ICE activities in Minnesota. You may not be effective at getting the Republicans to see “what was really happening.”
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@jon-nyc said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
It was one of the ‘fuck you, bitch’ shots that killed her.
The "bitch" comment wasn't even from the shooter, last I heard. But yes it's long been stipulated that there were shots from the side of the car, after the first from the front. Any one of them may have stochastically entered her head. You are really interestingly precious about this situation that, if the politics were reversed, you'd just be silently happy about. As you were with Ashley Babbit.
