ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis
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@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Right, and the US can't declare war on a country without a vote by Congress.
I was only joking
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Tell that to Trump who ‘pardoned’ an election fraudster in Colorado then punished the state (canceled a federal water project) for not honoring it.
@jon-nyc said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Tell that to Trump who ‘pardoned’ an election fraudster in Colorado then punished the state (canceled a federal water project) for not honoring it.
No, that was retribution for CO's illegal machinations to remove Trump from the ballot. A scheme so blatantly unconstitutional that SCOTUS dunked on it unanimously. A scheme so corrupt that even Trump haters on this board disagreed with it. (One of the above claims is false.)
And the "pardoned" person remains in prison in CO. And there are appeals and discussions from the governor going on about how her sentence was unduly harsh.
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@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Right, and the US can't declare war on a country without a vote by Congress.
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
@Horace said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I don't know how meddlesome they can be. I've read that they have taken control of the video evidence, but the shooter himself released the primary video to the public. There's a hypothetical scenario where there is video not seen by the public, nor MN state officials, which is being held by the FBI, and that video would be helpful for any legal case against the shooter. That's just a hypothetical. I'm not aware of any reports that there is juicy video the public hasn't already seen. What the public has already seen sure does seem to be enough to build a case with, according to many, so maybe we'll see it.
And then if convicted Trump can pardon him.
Presidential pardons don't work for state level crimes.
Right, and the US can't declare war on a country without a vote by Congress.
Yes, that's true too. Loopholes around military action without declaring war, take that up with most presidents.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/off-duty-twin-cities-officers-profiled-ice/
Police chief says 'Off-duty Twin Cities officers among those "targeted" by ICE agents looking for proof of U.S. citizenship' ...
"I wish I could tell you that this was an isolated incident. In fact, many of the chiefs standing behind me have similar incidents with their off-duty officers," [police chief] Bruley said.
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Public opinion on ICE:
Over 80% of Republicans think ICE's enforcement are "just right" or want ICE to go even harder.
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I think if everyone saw what was really happening (or again, just go on reddit) absolutely no one would think they're doing about right or not enough. It's appalling.
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I think if everyone saw what was really happening (or again, just go on reddit) …
Republicans choose to consume different media. E.g., they may choose FoxNews-like outlets that air segments on government welfare fraud rather than ICE activities in Minnesota. You may not be effective at getting the Republicans to see “what was really happening.”
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@jon-nyc said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
It was one of the ‘fuck you, bitch’ shots that killed her.
The "bitch" comment wasn't even from the shooter, last I heard. But yes it's long been stipulated that there were shots from the side of the car, after the first from the front. Any one of them may have stochastically entered her head. You are really interestingly precious about this situation that, if the politics were reversed, you'd just be silently happy about. As you were with Ashley Babbit.
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Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
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@Renauda said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
He just as well have shot her in the back of head.
Summary execution style, right? Yeah that’s exactly what that situation was. None of these garbage pieces of rhetoric helps. It’s just cathartic to the person saying it. Meanwhile, it just increases the temperature. But hey, elbows up.
Education is extremely important.
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Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
@89th said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Pfft. If Renee Good was ramming her car over and over trying to break through a police line with a cop pointing a gun for a while saying if you cross this line you will get shot….then you’d have an equal analogy. But the shooting here is akin Ashley walking past a cop at the front doors of the Capitol and him shooting her from the side.
And yes in both cases I agree the FAFO reality played out.
And how many times in your life has someone who is demonstrably antagonistic to you accelerated their SUV towards you such that if you don’t move exactly then, you get crushed? That’s happened to you zero times. Don’t answer please. But hey you know 10 Capitol police who committed suicide because they were employed to quell a riot. So you know. You really know.
