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The Ukraine war thread

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #2974

    A fine op-Ed analysis by a retired CIA counter espionage officer. I do not for a moment think Sipher is off the mark at all:

    The inferiority complex

    From the Bolshevik revolutionaries to Vladimir Putin, Russia’s leaders have exhibited the mentality of professional conspirators: they assume enemies are everywhere, truth is relative, and survival depends on sowing confusion and fear.

    The founders of the Soviet state were, in effect, terrorists operating underground. Lenin and Stalin were cover names used to hide from the Tsarist police. When they seized power, they imported the habits of clandestine revolution into government: obsession with regime security over national security, fear of enemies both internal and external, use of state power as terrorism, and the belief that deception is not just useful but essential.

    The bullying masks the inferiority complex; the insistence on imperial glory conceals the fear that without it, the system will collapse…..

    Sadly, as we have seen since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, and over the past decade or more, it has worked. Subsequent American Presidents have misjudged Putin’s power, and his willingness to negotiate in good faith.

    Former Finnish President Niinisto quoted Henry Kissinger in his New Year’s speech to highlight this failure to deal with the Kremlin; “Whenever avoidance of war is the primary object of a group of powers, the international system has been at the mercy of its most ruthless member.”….

    As George Kennan warned in his Long Telegram, Russia’s persistent weakness and insecurity drive it to aggression as a way of shielding itself from Western ideas and values. But aggression built on lies eventually undermines itself.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/60489

    Elbows up!

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #2975

      That’s an excellent piece.

      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      • W Do not disturb
        W Do not disturb
        Wim
        wrote on last edited by
        #2976

        Silent protests in Moscow:

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/09/29/hundreds-line-up-outside-putins-office-in-largest-opposition-linked-action-since-2024-a90648

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
          wrote last edited by
          #2977

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote last edited by
            #2978

            Renauda has been right all along. Putin will stop at nothing less than all of Ukraine. Any other agreement is meaningless because it will not be honored and will only give him time to resupply.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • Tom-KT Offline
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              Tom-K
              wrote last edited by
              #2979

              The only reason to end the war is to spare the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. But if you don't care about that--then the war can go on forever. In that respect Putin is like Hamas--as long as they get what they want in the end human suffering really doesn't matter.

              Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
                wrote last edited by
                #2980

                Russians taking over Ukrainian territory doesn’t seem to end the suffering of the inhabitants.

                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                • Tom-KT Tom-K

                  The only reason to end the war is to spare the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. But if you don't care about that--then the war can go on forever. In that respect Putin is like Hamas--as long as they get what they want in the end human suffering really doesn't matter.

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote last edited by Renauda
                  #2981

                  @Tom-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  The only reason to end the war is to spare the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. But if you don't care about that….. Putin is like Hamas--as long as they get what they want in the end human suffering really doesn't matter.

                  No it doesn’t. What only matters is Putin’s own megalomaniac legacy to become the greatest Russian autocrat since Peter the Great. That legacy includes all of what remains of sovereign Ukraine and whatever other coveted imperial morsel he can steal by subterfuge or brute force.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Russians taking over Ukrainian territory doesn’t seem to end the suffering of the inhabitants.

                    AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote last edited by
                    #2982

                    @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Russians taking over Ukrainian territory doesn’t seem to end the suffering of the inhabitants.

                    But maybe it will result in a Nobel Prize.

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                      #2983

                      I wish they were wrong.

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                        #2984

                        Budapest Summit indefinitely postponed.

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gjp73gp41o

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by
                          #2985

                          Prescient commentary from 1990:

                          https://www.facebook.com/reel/24591979110497672/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

                          Elbows up!

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                          • W Do not disturb
                            W Do not disturb
                            Wim
                            wrote last edited by
                            #2986

                            Lavrov losing Putin's support?

                            Https://www.google.com/amp/s/telegrafi.com/en/amp/Lavrov-loses-Putin%2527s-support-after-failed-meeting-with-Trump-2674272039

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                            • W Wim

                              Lavrov losing Putin's support?

                              Https://www.google.com/amp/s/telegrafi.com/en/amp/Lavrov-loses-Putin%2527s-support-after-failed-meeting-with-Trump-2674272039

                              AxtremusA Offline
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                              Axtremus
                              wrote last edited by
                              #2987

                              @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Lavrov losing Putin's support?

                              What's the significance?

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote last edited by
                                #2988

                                Substantial, if true. I however remain sceptical that Lavrov is on Putin’s naughty list.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #2989

                                  Not being privy to internal Kremlin politics, it would seem unwise to alienate Lavrov who clearly has his own following. I doubt his absence means any more than was said.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #2990

                                    Not likely that Lavrov would be entirely sidelined, his expertise in security and foreign affairs is too valuable. A very uncompromising person.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #2991

                                      I should add however, that he should henceforth avoid all windows located above the ground floor. After all, one can’t be too careful in these troubled times.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #2992

                                        Ah, yes. The gravity of the situation.

                                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #2993

                                          I was heartened by this.

                                          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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