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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    Right now am listening to Trump talk about Ukraine in a Q & A presser from his Florida palace.

    Trump is laying the bulk of the blame on Kyiv for this war, among other exaggerations, deflections and distortions. I feel very sorry for Rubio, his boss’s inability to show any statesmanship or hold his tongue is making a very difficult task into a near to impossible task.

    Normally I would ask for someone to pass the barf bag. But this time I think need the whole porcelain bowl.

    Edit (2 hours later):

    What Trump said:

    "I'm very disappointed, I hear that they're upset about not having a seat," Trump told reporters when asked what he would say to Ukrainians who feel "betrayed."

    "Today I heard, oh, well, we weren't invited. Well, you've been there for three years...You should have never started it. You could have made a deal," he said.

    https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104953730

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #2422

    Dbl post

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2423

      How does he figure it’s Ukraine’s fault? Seems like stretch, but he may have hard feelings

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • HoraceH Online
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        Horace
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        #2424

        I may not have heard what Renauda heard, but I heard a lot of blaming of Biden rather than Ukraine.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          I may not have heard what Renauda heard, but I heard a lot of blaming of Biden rather than Ukraine.

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #2425

          @Horace

          The blame Biden crap, I file under deflections and squelch. Just like Beauregard’s coffee and doughnut shop gossip around here.

          You didn’t hear what Trumpigula said about Ukraine because you either weren’t listening or you didn’t want to hear it. To be honest I didn’t want to hear it either but I did and so did everyone else who was paying attention.

          Elbows up!

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            jon-nyc
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            #2426

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              jon-nyc
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              #2427

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • HoraceH Online
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by Horace
                #2428

                Word on the street is that Zelensky wouldn't even win an election in Ukraine right now.

                https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx

                Education is extremely important.

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #2429

                  I normally don’t look to CNN (or for that matter, any US news outlet) but the following clip is too good to pass up. At least two Republican senators haven’t drunk the Putin Kool-Aide:

                  https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/18/politics/video/roger-wicker-john-kennedy-trump-putin-digvid

                  @Horace

                  Word on the street is that Zelensky wouldn't even win an election in Ukraine right now.

                  https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx

                  Surprised you would even give credence to a “street” poll under the conditions a country like Ukraine is currently facing. Must be for the sake of convenience or you actually believe Trump’s bald faced lies on the matter. On the other hand, you might get more favourable results if the poll were taken in Moscow.

                  Anyways, let’s just wait a few more weeks to see how brutally Trump continues to rubbish and belittle the Ukrainian nation and their President. Then, by all means, let Gallup do another poll. This one you posted is nothing more than old hat from last autumn.

                  Ukraine’s dilemma at this moment is not too far removed from Poland in August 1939:

                  “With the Germans, we risk losing our freedom,” said Polish commander-in-chief Edward Rydz-Smigly, “with the Russians our soul.”

                  Elbows up!

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #2430

                    The idea that Zelensky is the problem here seems completely bogus.

                    WTF are the Republicans thinking?

                    I was only joking

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                      #2431

                      The party needs to give POTUS a big wakeup call.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • HoraceH Online
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                        Horace
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                        #2432

                        I remain skeptical of the Western attitude of fierce principled support of Ukraine continuing to fight a war it cannot win, and which it is increasingly sick of fighting. I see no clear list of attainable goals for Ukraine that Trump is thwarting with his negotiations. We'll see where the negotiations go, but I am hard pressed to consider them a loss for Ukraine as of now. Sometimes both parties in a fight are happy when they are pulled apart. I think it is interesting that Zelensky's support in Ukraine is waning, along with support for the war in general.

                        https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-polls-show-most-ukrainians-now-support-a-negotiated-peace-as-russian-advances-continue-244419

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2433

                          Nothing wrong with healthy dose of scepticism so long as it is accurately informed and not the result of blind ignorance out of personal choice.

                          I am sceptical about the motives of tyrants and demogogues and the sloppy thinkers who continually cheerlead and apologize for their repugnant and threatening behaviour on the world stage.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            Nothing wrong with healthy dose of scepticism so long as it is accurately informed and not the result of blind ignorance out of personal choice.

                            I am sceptical about the motives of tyrants and demogogues and the sloppy thinkers who continually cheerlead and apologize for their repugnant and threatening behaviour on the world stage.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2434

                            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Nothing wrong with healthy dose of scepticism so long as it is accurately informed and not the result of blind ignorance out of personal choice.

                            I don't feel at all ignorant about my skepticism of armchair westerners and their tribalized support for the war, and opposition to Trump's methods of trying to end it.

                            I may be ignorant about the level of support the war currently enjoys from the Ukrainians bearing the brunt of it, and if so I'm happy to be proven wrong. That proof will not take the form of hand waves about principles of freedom.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #2435

                              Then tell “your man in the White House”
                              to stop his hand waving and Kremlin inspired bullshit talk about holding presidential elections in Ukraine:

                              Responding to Trump’s demand that Ukraine hold elections before any peace deal could be reached with Russia, Zelensky refuted Trump’s claim that his approval rate among Ukrainians stood at just 4% and pointed to a recent survey that revealed some 57% of Ukrainians approved of his leadership.

                              “If somebody wants to replace me right now, it won’t work,” Zelensky told reporters, adding that the 4% approval rate was just another example of Russian disinformation, something Ukrainians already knew all about. Just 1% of the Ukrainian population was in favour of making concessions to Moscow, Zelensky continued, adding that “nobody in Ukraine believes Putin”.

                              https://novayagazeta.eu/amp/articles/2025/02/19/zelensky-hits-back-at-false-trump-claims-accusing-us-president-of-living-in-disinformation-space-en-news

                              Elbows up!

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                                AndyD
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2436

                                Does anyone need reminding that the Russian President is a murderer who ought to be serving a life sentence or facing execution for his numerous deadly crimes both national and international.

                                Of course now he's invaded a foreign country and killed hundreds of thousands he may assume the grand title of conqueror.

                                Over the last two decades he has shown himself to be a bully, tyrant, liar, and never to be trusted.

                                Someone needs to tell Trump a bit of factual history and then explain why Russia is our immediate threat, along with N. Korea and Iran.
                                China of course is our long term threat.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2437

                                  Not to worry Andy, Tulsi has Trumpigula’s ear.

                                  And Putin has Tulsi’s ear.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    Not to worry Andy, Tulsi has Trumpigula’s ear.

                                    And Putin has Tulsi’s ear.

                                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2438

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    And Putin has Tulsi’s ear.

                                    Are you sure that's her ear?

                                    I was only joking

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2439

                                      😆

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • W Offline
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                                        Wim
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2440

                                        Zelensky is a dictator:

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/19/kyivs-white-house-wooing-implodes-as-zelenskyy-tells-the-truth-about-trump

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                                        • W Wim

                                          Zelensky is a dictator:

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/19/kyivs-white-house-wooing-implodes-as-zelenskyy-tells-the-truth-about-trump

                                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2441

                                          @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Zelensky is a dictator:

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/19/kyivs-white-house-wooing-implodes-as-zelenskyy-tells-the-truth-about-trump

                                          I'm sure Trump's fans will find a justification for this attempt to create peace in our time.

                                          I was only joking

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