The Ukraine war thread
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I remain skeptical of the Western attitude of fierce principled support of Ukraine continuing to fight a war it cannot win, and which it is increasingly sick of fighting. I see no clear list of attainable goals for Ukraine that Trump is thwarting with his negotiations. We'll see where the negotiations go, but I am hard pressed to consider them a loss for Ukraine as of now. Sometimes both parties in a fight are happy when they are pulled apart. I think it is interesting that Zelensky's support in Ukraine is waning, along with support for the war in general.
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Nothing wrong with healthy dose of scepticism so long as it is accurately informed and not the result of blind ignorance out of personal choice.
I am sceptical about the motives of tyrants and demogogues and the sloppy thinkers who continually cheerlead and apologize for their repugnant and threatening behaviour on the world stage.
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Nothing wrong with healthy dose of scepticism so long as it is accurately informed and not the result of blind ignorance out of personal choice.
I am sceptical about the motives of tyrants and demogogues and the sloppy thinkers who continually cheerlead and apologize for their repugnant and threatening behaviour on the world stage.
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Nothing wrong with healthy dose of scepticism so long as it is accurately informed and not the result of blind ignorance out of personal choice.
I don't feel at all ignorant about my skepticism of armchair westerners and their tribalized support for the war, and opposition to Trump's methods of trying to end it.
I may be ignorant about the level of support the war currently enjoys from the Ukrainians bearing the brunt of it, and if so I'm happy to be proven wrong. That proof will not take the form of hand waves about principles of freedom.
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Then tell “your man in the White House”
to stop his hand waving and Kremlin inspired bullshit talk about holding presidential elections in Ukraine:Responding to Trump’s demand that Ukraine hold elections before any peace deal could be reached with Russia, Zelensky refuted Trump’s claim that his approval rate among Ukrainians stood at just 4% and pointed to a recent survey that revealed some 57% of Ukrainians approved of his leadership.
“If somebody wants to replace me right now, it won’t work,” Zelensky told reporters, adding that the 4% approval rate was just another example of Russian disinformation, something Ukrainians already knew all about. Just 1% of the Ukrainian population was in favour of making concessions to Moscow, Zelensky continued, adding that “nobody in Ukraine believes Putin”.
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Does anyone need reminding that the Russian President is a murderer who ought to be serving a life sentence or facing execution for his numerous deadly crimes both national and international.
Of course now he's invaded a foreign country and killed hundreds of thousands he may assume the grand title of conqueror.
Over the last two decades he has shown himself to be a bully, tyrant, liar, and never to be trusted.
Someone needs to tell Trump a bit of factual history and then explain why Russia is our immediate threat, along with N. Korea and Iran.
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Zelensky is a dictator:
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@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
Zelensky is a dictator:
I'm sure Trump's fans will find a justification for this attempt to create peace in our time.
I was only joking
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@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
Zelensky is a dictator:
I'm sure Trump's fans will find a justification for this attempt to create peace in our time.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
Zelensky is a dictator:
I'm sure Trump's fans will find a justification for this attempt to create peace in our time.
I’m sure they’ll try to spin something or another to make candy from turds.
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At least four oil tankers have been hit with explosions so far this year — all of them having visited Russia’s territorial waters in the weeks prior to the blasts happening.
“All the indications are that these have been deliberately orchestrated, but it’s with a significant degree of sophistication,” said Munro Anderson, head of operations at Vessel Protect, a major war-risk insurer of ships. “So, the big question that leads to is: ‘by who?’”
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I watched this video this morning. it certainly presents a different view. I wondered at the time if such NATO expansion was a great idea, but was unaware of the guarantees Sachs claims the west made after the fall of the Soviet Union. It may well be that we abandoned such ideas when Russia tried to take Georgia, then Crimea and then eastern Ukraine even before the 2022 incursion.
Link to video
