UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot
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I get his position. It is informed by a situation much worse than most people ever deal with, but we’ve dealt with similar runarounds - a different and contradictory story every time you talk to them. It’s incredibly frustrating even when it’s relatively minor health issues. Couple extreme suffering with it and one can understand his anger. Still, not how he expressed it. This kid had a top education and could have chosen to fight within the law.
@Mik said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
I get his position. It is informed by a situation much worse than most people ever deal with, but we’ve dealt with similar runarounds - a different and contradictory story every time you talk to them. It’s incredibly frustrating even when it’s relatively minor health issues. Couple extreme suffering with it and one can understand his anger. Still, not how he expressed it. This kid had a top education and could have chosen to fight within the law.
My thoughts as well.
@George-K You saw Glaucomflecken's, right?
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He's right, of course. I have to say I've had United at different times and never had any issues, although when I had to use their mail order pharmacy it was pretty bad. I have United now for my Medicare supplementary with no issues over 4 years, but I haven't done anything particularly unusual. But I know a lot of people who have Medicare Advantage coverage (read HMO/PPO) who have had, including my brother who had to fight for his needed treatments.
In the case of the shooter, his mother had to jump through a lot of hoops to get treatments, yes, but it appears that none of them worked very well. Was she denied treatment that would have been effective? No idea. Still, it is possible to have a medical condition there is no effective treatment for. This is not the fault of the insurer. It is difficult to get research funding for diseases that affect 1 in 100,000 people.
If what he says about UHC denying claims and paying for those denials is correct, that should be looked at very carefully. But the other things involved should be looked at too, mostly who is their patient population and what coverage do they have? Do they offer inexpensive catastrophic coverage only plans that do not cover routine healthcare? There's a lot of variety out there. It's not enough to just point at UHC and say they are bad.
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There really is two sides to every story. While I wholeheartedly agree that our current insurance system is busted, I hardy believe these caricatures of evil insurance executives living large off the pain and suffering of their clients. It is far more complex than the cartoonish image of the monopoly man with bags of cash…
I have UHC. I am constantly battling a stupid issue where our in network PCP claims are denied because the billing goes through a 3rd party and it confuses them. Nobody in the system that we can reach can make a notation for it, so we go through the same rigamarole every time. That’s not greed, that’s ineptitude and inefficiency.
That’s far more common and far more damaging than greed.
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There really is two sides to every story. While I wholeheartedly agree that our current insurance system is busted, I hardy believe these caricatures of evil insurance executives living large off the pain and suffering of their clients. It is far more complex than the cartoonish image of the monopoly man with bags of cash…
I have UHC. I am constantly battling a stupid issue where our in network PCP claims are denied because the billing goes through a 3rd party and it confuses them. Nobody in the system that we can reach can make a notation for it, so we go through the same rigamarole every time. That’s not greed, that’s ineptitude and inefficiency.
That’s far more common and far more damaging than greed.
@LuFins-Dad said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
There really is two sides to every story. While I wholeheartedly agree that our current insurance system is busted, I hardy believe these caricatures of evil insurance executives living large off the pain and suffering of their clients. It is far more complex than the cartoonish image of the monopoly man with bags of cash…
Of course it's more complex than mobthink. Isn't that obvious? Everything always is.
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Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
None of these people are wackos who celebrated the shooting. But they’re talking about this now.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@Horace said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Just as a statement of practical effect, I think his act will move the conversation and concentrate the public's attention, in ways he wanted.
None of these people are wackos who celebrated the shooting. But they’re talking about this now.
@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
None of these people are wackos who celebrated the shooting. But they’re talking about this now.
I hate being wrong. You'd think I'd get used to after all the practice
I was only joking
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@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
None of these people are wackos who celebrated the shooting. But they’re talking about this now.
I hate being wrong. You'd think I'd get used to after all the practice
@Doctor-Phibes said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
@jon-nyc said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
None of these people are wackos who celebrated the shooting. But they’re talking about this now.
I hate being wrong. You'd think I'd get used to after all the practice
If your threshold of being wrong is "people who haven't personally assassinated a health care CEO, talking about the problems with private health insurance", you will safely be wrong forever. Make yourself comfortable!
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Based on what he was yelling as he entered the jail, he doesn't seem to be completely of sound mind.
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So 2 months ago, I was talking to a coworker from another store about our UHC Insurance. He proceeds to tell me that his cardiologist had recommended he get stints at his latest visit, but UHC had turned it down. We commiserated and called those guys every name under the sun that he was going to have to fight them.
I talked to him a week later and he told me that he found out that they denied it because the bloodwork, diagnostics, and everything else submitted did not merit a stint. That he looked perfectly healthy. He got a second opinion from another cardiologist that confirmed he was fine. He went back to the first Cardiologist, who said “Yeah, they’re right, you really don’t need it, but it wouldn’t hurt, either”…
Sometimes the insurance companies are the ones protecting us…
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We’ve never stopped talking about these issues. It just never got this kind of pop culture clickbait treatment.
@Mik said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
We’ve never stopped talking about these issues. It just never got this kind of pop culture clickbait treatment.
That's all this is. "Raising awareness" is only as good as the people whose awareness is being raised.
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Mik said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Jesus.
Mobs are stupid and always are. I think the far more useful thing is to make note of why mobs pay attention to specific people, events or circumstances.
If this were the CEO of Lego, the public reaction would have been very different. In other words, you wouldn't have this kind of reaction without some seriously deep animosity against insurance companies—which I think would be very difficult to claim this one in particular doesn't deserve.
Please love yourself.
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@Mik said in UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot:
Jesus.
The funny part is this is really a gift to his apparently quite wealthy parents. It's that much less they'll have to pay.
