Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election

How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
32 Posts 8 Posters 165 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    Haven’t met any but I’ve heard they exist.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
    HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
    • George KG Offline
      George KG Offline
      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      Am I reading that the Democrats have lost 30% of the Jewish vote in this survey?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

      1 Reply Last reply
      • jon-nycJ Online
        jon-nycJ Online
        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        I think the denominator is the 70+% of Jews that vote democratic. That would mean 21% of the Jewish vote lost. Insofar as it’s accurate anyway.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
        George KG 1 Reply Last reply
        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          I think the denominator is the 70+% of Jews that vote democratic. That would mean 21% of the Jewish vote lost. Insofar as it’s accurate anyway.

          George KG Offline
          George KG Offline
          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

          I think the denominator is the 70+% of Jews that vote democratic.

          I would have thought the Jews that vote Democrat would have been a higher number.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

          1 Reply Last reply
          • jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            Maybe it was 74 last time. I think 70 is the low water mark in modern times

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
            1 Reply Last reply
            • jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              Results from the actual poll. Interesting numbers that LD omitted are the Jews who normally vote R but will vote D this time.

              IMG_0465.jpeg

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
              HoraceH LuFins DadL 2 Replies Last reply
              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Haven’t met any but I’ve heard they exist.

                HoraceH Offline
                HoraceH Offline
                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                Haven’t met any

                You mean, no Jewish person has told you they're switching their vote.

                Education is extremely important.

                1 Reply Last reply
                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Results from the actual poll. Interesting numbers that LD omitted are the Jews who normally vote R but will vote D this time.

                  IMG_0465.jpeg

                  HoraceH Offline
                  HoraceH Offline
                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                  Results from the actual poll. Interesting numbers that LD omitted are the Jews who normally vote R but will vote D this time.

                  IMG_0465.jpeg

                  Only the top two categories imply a change. Regarding the second category, I wonder if the implication that they voted Trump in 2016 or 2020 is actually true.

                  Education is extremely important.

                  LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                  • kluursK Offline
                    kluursK Offline
                    kluurs
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    Rumor from Tik Tok (where facts flee for a healthy vacation), is that Trump got $100 million from Adelman last time to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and will get a similar amount this time to recognize the annexation of the West Bank. Stay tuned. Seriously, there is an amazing amount of anti-Israel videos on TT.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    • JollyJ Offline
                      JollyJ Offline
                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      AFAIC, Israel can have the West Bank.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      • 89th8 Offline
                        89th8 Offline
                        89th
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #12

                        You'd think rich, religious, conservative, and pro-Israel people would vote Republican more often.

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                          Results from the actual poll. Interesting numbers that LD omitted are the Jews who normally vote R but will vote D this time.

                          IMG_0465.jpeg

                          Only the top two categories imply a change. Regarding the second category, I wonder if the implication that they voted Trump in 2016 or 2020 is actually true.

                          LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          @Horace said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                          @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                          Results from the actual poll. Interesting numbers that LD omitted are the Jews who normally vote R but will vote D this time.

                          IMG_0465.jpeg

                          Only the top two categories imply a change. Regarding the second category, I wonder if the implication that they voted Trump in 2016 or 2020 is actually true.

                          I didn’t read through the article enough to see that there was a group of “Republican” voters that were going democrat this time. In the context of the point of the poll and the article, that seems unlikely. Far more likely that there were a few never Trumpers in there making their voices heard…

                          The Brad

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Results from the actual poll. Interesting numbers that LD omitted are the Jews who normally vote R but will vote D this time.

                            IMG_0465.jpeg

                            LuFins DadL Offline
                            LuFins DadL Offline
                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #14

                            @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                            Results from the actual poll. Interesting numbers that LD omitted are the Jews who normally vote R but will vote D this time.

                            IMG_0465.jpeg

                            Even if there are 4 of Jewish voters that were dropping support for Trump, it’s still a new loss of well over 10% of the Jewish support for the Dem leadership. That is extremely significant, and is unsustainable for their traditional voting block. Everything I read says the Dems need to maintain X% of Jewish voters, Y% of Blacks, Z% of Hispanics. Losing any one of those spells defeat. Yet all of the crosstabs suggest they are losing ALL of those demos. So where are the replacement votes coming from? I strongly suspect nowhere, and we’re seeing an LV error by the various polling groups.

                            The Brad

                            George KG jon-nycJ 2 Replies Last reply
                            • jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                              LuFins DadL HoraceH 2 Replies Last reply
                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                Results from the actual poll. Interesting numbers that LD omitted are the Jews who normally vote R but will vote D this time.

                                IMG_0465.jpeg

                                Even if there are 4 of Jewish voters that were dropping support for Trump, it’s still a new loss of well over 10% of the Jewish support for the Dem leadership. That is extremely significant, and is unsustainable for their traditional voting block. Everything I read says the Dems need to maintain X% of Jewish voters, Y% of Blacks, Z% of Hispanics. Losing any one of those spells defeat. Yet all of the crosstabs suggest they are losing ALL of those demos. So where are the replacement votes coming from? I strongly suspect nowhere, and we’re seeing an LV error by the various polling groups.

                                George KG Offline
                                George KG Offline
                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #16

                                @LuFins-Dad said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                . So where are the replacement votes coming from? I strongly suspect nowhere...

                                ...for now.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                • JollyJ Offline
                                  JollyJ Offline
                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #17

                                  They're printing them as we speak.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                                    LuFins DadL Offline
                                    LuFins DadL Offline
                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #18

                                    @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                    Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                                    Not at all, but the poll is about whether antisemitism is specifically causing you to change your vote and how. While there has been the normal far-right antisemitism, that’s been nothing new. If anything, I could see people holding the view that the right is too Pro-Israel and not critical enough, but there’s not been any pro-Hamas individuals in leadership.There’s not been any support and only strong condemnation for the protests on campus. It’s been Republican committees that have pulled liberal university deans and heads in to testify over antisemitism on campus. In the meantime, there are a lot of democrats that have been caught supporting the protests, Hamas, and more than a few Hamas adjacent members of the party. The simple fact is that having that large of a group leave the Republicans over antisemitism seems unlikely. I could see them leaving over January 6, over Trump’s handling of COVID, over the new isolationist elements of the party, over Trump’s personality, or over Trump being the anti-Reagan. But I don’t see them leaving over antisemitism, and that’s what the poll is supposed to be about.

                                    Beyond that, the fact that remains is the net loss to Dems is significant.

                                    The Brad

                                    HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                                      HoraceH Offline
                                      HoraceH Offline
                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #19

                                      @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                      Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                                      There is certainly some wishcasting when one poster notes that no Jew has ever told him that they were changing their vote to Trump, therefore that poster has never met a Jew who will be changing their vote to Trump.

                                      For my own curiosity of the real voting patterns of those who say "they usually vote R but will be voting D", I wouldn't wonder if it had been phrased "I voted for Trump but now will be voting D". But that's not how it was phrased.

                                      Education is extremely important.

                                      LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                        Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                                        Not at all, but the poll is about whether antisemitism is specifically causing you to change your vote and how. While there has been the normal far-right antisemitism, that’s been nothing new. If anything, I could see people holding the view that the right is too Pro-Israel and not critical enough, but there’s not been any pro-Hamas individuals in leadership.There’s not been any support and only strong condemnation for the protests on campus. It’s been Republican committees that have pulled liberal university deans and heads in to testify over antisemitism on campus. In the meantime, there are a lot of democrats that have been caught supporting the protests, Hamas, and more than a few Hamas adjacent members of the party. The simple fact is that having that large of a group leave the Republicans over antisemitism seems unlikely. I could see them leaving over January 6, over Trump’s handling of COVID, over the new isolationist elements of the party, over Trump’s personality, or over Trump being the anti-Reagan. But I don’t see them leaving over antisemitism, and that’s what the poll is supposed to be about.

                                        Beyond that, the fact that remains is the net loss to Dems is significant.

                                        HoraceH Offline
                                        HoraceH Offline
                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #20

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                        @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                        Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                                        Not at all, but the poll is about whether antisemitism is specifically causing you to change your vote and how. While there has been the normal far-right antisemitism, that’s been nothing new. If anything, I could see people holding the view that the right is too Pro-Israel and not critical enough, but there’s not been any pro-Hamas individuals in leadership.There’s not been any support and only strong condemnation for the protests on campus. It’s been Republican committees that have pulled liberal university deans and heads in to testify over antisemitism on campus. In the meantime, there are a lot of democrats that have been caught supporting the protests, Hamas, and more than a few Hamas adjacent members of the party. The simple fact is that having that large of a group leave the Republicans over antisemitism seems unlikely. I could see them leaving over January 6, over Trump’s handling of COVID, over the new isolationist elements of the party, over Trump’s personality, or over Trump being the anti-Reagan. But I don’t see them leaving over antisemitism, and that’s what the poll is supposed to be about.

                                        Yeah but that one guy who called Soros a "money changer", he is indicative of the deep veins of antisemitism that run through the GOP. Now stop wishcasting, LD.

                                        Education is extremely important.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                          Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                                          There is certainly some wishcasting when one poster notes that no Jew has ever told him that they were changing their vote to Trump, therefore that poster has never met a Jew who will be changing their vote to Trump.

                                          For my own curiosity of the real voting patterns of those who say "they usually vote R but will be voting D", I wouldn't wonder if it had been phrased "I voted for Trump but now will be voting D". But that's not how it was phrased.

                                          LuFins DadL Offline
                                          LuFins DadL Offline
                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #21

                                          @Horace said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                          @jon-nyc said in How October 7th, 2023 is shaping the 2024 election:

                                          Maybe there’s a little wishcasting going on when two separate people on this thread assume the ‘was Trump now D’ voters are faking it while the ‘was D now Trump’ voters are legit.

                                          There is certainly some wishcasting when one poster notes that no Jew has ever told him that they were changing their vote to Trump, therefore that poster has never met a Jew who will be changing their vote to Trump.

                                          For my own curiosity of the real voting patterns of those who say "they usually vote R but will be voting D", I wouldn't wonder if it had been phrased "I voted for Trump but now will be voting D". But that's not how it was phrased.

                                          And the idea that it’s over antisemitism stretches the credibility.

                                          The Brad

                                          HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups