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    Mik
    wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 15:30 last edited by
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    I'd have to agree, Horace. He gave as good as he got in the half hour we listened to. They both babbled.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 15:47 last edited by
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      https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

      TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

      The Brad

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        Mik
        wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 15:52 last edited by
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        Define winning.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          12 Sept 2024, 15:47

          https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

          TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 16:02 last edited by
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          @LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

          https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

          TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

          Nate ranks them 79th in terms of reliability. He hasn’t updated his forecast because no pollster he considers reliable has come out with new data.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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          • J jon-nyc
            12 Sept 2024, 16:02

            @LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

            https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

            TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

            Nate ranks them 79th in terms of reliability. He hasn’t updated his forecast because no pollster he considers reliable has come out with new data.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 16:35 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

            https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

            TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

            Nate ranks them 79th in terms of reliability. He hasn’t updated his forecast because no pollster he considers reliable has come out with new data.

            Great. So go back to the NYT/Sienna poll. Trump 48% - Harris 47%. How many of that 48% do you think changed their mind? Do you think that a single person that responded they were going to vote for Trump switched their vote?

            That leaves “undecided” and non-responsive. Trump has always outperformed in these groups. Donald outperformed polls by over 3% in each of the last two elections do you expect any different this time?

            A ridiculously small sample size, but Reuters interviewed 10 undecided voters before and after the debate. Almost all agreed that Kamala won, but 6 said they were closer to voting for Trump after the debate, 3 towards Kamala, and 1 unmoved by either.

            The Brad

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              12 Sept 2024, 15:52

              Define winning.

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 16:46 last edited by
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              @Mik said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

              Define winning.

              I'm pretty sure I won the debate. I watched Kaos on Netflix.

              I was only joking

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              • J jon-nyc
                12 Sept 2024, 14:39

                @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

                You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

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                89th
                wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 17:16 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

                You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

                Good summary

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                • J Jolly
                  11 Sept 2024, 22:10

                  Well, maybe some people changed their minds...

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                  89th
                  wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 17:18 last edited by
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                  @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                  Well, maybe some people changed their minds...

                  I saw the video, it was actually pretty nice. Biden (wow, he looks even older now) was having a fun convo with a guy in a Trump hat. He asked if he should sign a Presidential hat and the civilian says "hell no, you can't even remember your name" or something like that, which Biden jokes "yeah I'm pretty slow" but then they swap hats. Anyway... he's embracing the IDGAF mentality now.

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                    12 Sept 2024, 16:46

                    @Mik said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                    Define winning.

                    I'm pretty sure I won the debate. I watched Kaos on Netflix.

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 17:43 last edited by
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                    @Doctor-Phibes I'm down wit' that.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      12 Sept 2024, 15:09

                      Rove in the WSJ: “There’s no putting lipstick on this pig.”

                      IMG_0053.jpeg

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 18:22 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                      Rove in the WSJ: “There’s no putting lipstick on this pig.”

                      IMG_0053.jpeg

                      Go hang your hat on Rove. He's as relevant as Carville.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        12 Sept 2024, 17:16

                        @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                        @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                        You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

                        You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

                        Good summary

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 18:27 last edited by
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                        @89th said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                        @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                        @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                        You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

                        You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

                        Good summary

                        Perception is reality.

                        People in the city we're talking about believe that story. There's enough smoke, that a lot of people in similarly affected places believe that story.

                        It matters not one red rolling rat's ass if Jon's neighbors believe that story or not.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 19:45 last edited by
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                          My cousin nails it.

                          https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4873167-debate-night-just-another-night-of-kamala-harris-dodging-all-substantive-questions/

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 19:48 last edited by jon-nyc 9 Dec 2024, 20:00
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                            I think the one aspect on which the two candidates converged is that questions should be thought of as topic suggestions for your next round of talking points.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 19:56 last edited by
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                              You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • H Horace
                                12 Sept 2024, 19:56

                                You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 20:05 last edited by Renauda 9 Dec 2024, 20:07
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                                @Horace

                                You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

                                Nailed it.

                                I believe that is an indispensable, albeit despicable, talent or trait for successful politicians at all levels of government regardless of nationality, culture or race.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • R Renauda
                                  12 Sept 2024, 20:05

                                  @Horace

                                  You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

                                  Nailed it.

                                  I believe that is an indispensable, albeit despicable, talent or trait for successful politicians at all levels of government regardless of nationality, culture or race.

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 01:24 last edited by
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                                  @Renauda said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                  Nailed it.

                                  +1

                                  Read the transcript of the debate. It was a spaghetti of talk - almost never answering the question asked.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 03:14 last edited by
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                                    BTW, anybody mention ABC's female moderator was Kamala's sorority sister?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 03:32 last edited by jon-nyc
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                                      In the sense that they were in different chapters in different universities in different states more than a decade apart?

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 08:18 last edited by
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                                        Still an unreported conflict of interest.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 11:13 last edited by
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                                          Yeah, I rolled my eyes at that one. I don’t see that as being any kind of conflict of interest. I bet there have been a lot more egregious examples in the past.

                                          The Brad

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