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Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT

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  • 89th8 89th

    @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

    @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

    You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

    You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

    Good summary

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    Jolly
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    #135

    @89th said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

    @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

    @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

    You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

    You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

    Good summary

    Perception is reality.

    People in the city we're talking about believe that story. There's enough smoke, that a lot of people in similarly affected places believe that story.

    It matters not one red rolling rat's ass if Jon's neighbors believe that story or not.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      #136

      My cousin nails it.

      https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4873167-debate-night-just-another-night-of-kamala-harris-dodging-all-substantive-questions/

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        jon-nyc
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        #137

        I think the one aspect on which the two candidates converged is that questions should be thought of as topic suggestions for your next round of talking points.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          #138

          You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #139

            @Horace

            You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

            Nailed it.

            I believe that is an indispensable, albeit despicable, talent or trait for successful politicians at all levels of government regardless of nationality, culture or race.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @Horace

              You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

              Nailed it.

              I believe that is an indispensable, albeit despicable, talent or trait for successful politicians at all levels of government regardless of nationality, culture or race.

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              taiwan_girl
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              #140

              @Renauda said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

              Nailed it.

              +1

              Read the transcript of the debate. It was a spaghetti of talk - almost never answering the question asked.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #141

                BTW, anybody mention ABC's female moderator was Kamala's sorority sister?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  #142

                  In the sense that they were in different chapters in different universities in different states more than a decade apart?

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #143

                    Still an unreported conflict of interest.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #144

                      Yeah, I rolled my eyes at that one. I don’t see that as being any kind of conflict of interest. I bet there have been a lot more egregious examples in the past.

                      The Brad

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #145

                        That being a conflict of interest is like me saying as a Manchester physics alumnus I was involved in splitting the atom.

                        Which of course I was.

                        I was only joking

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                          George K
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                          Former Clinton advisor Mark Penn thinks the debate was rigged and calls for an investigation.

                          "I actually think they should do a full internal investigation, hire an outside law firm. I don't know how much of this was planned in advance," Penn told the "John Solomon Reports" podcast.

                          "I don't know what they told the Harris campaign. I think the day after, suspicion here is really quite high, and I think a review of all their internal texts and emails really should be done by an independent party to find out to what extent they were planning on, in effect, you know, fact-checking just one candidate and in effect, rigging the outcome of this debate. I think the situation demands nothing less than that," he added.

                          Penn, chairman of the Harvard CAPS Harris Poll, also said Harris has done a "good job" defining Trump as the incumbent and herself as the change candidate even though she's the sitting vice president. But he described the mainstream media's coverage of Harris' campaign as laughable.

                          "It's a 50-50, race. He's [Trump] got more obvious tools to get across the finish line than she does and part of the thing here is that if the referees have their finger on the scale, it's harder to, you know, break through and overcome. And certainly, general media coverage has been fairly laughable," he said.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            #147

                            One of the reasons for joining a sorority is making connections that will serve you later in life.

                            This is the classic example of a conflict of interest.

                            So what? The ABC guys will be happy to attack Mr. Trump with or without any sorority.

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                              Also need to check if the moderators and debaters ever belonged to the same frequent travelers or credit rewards or store loyalty programs for conflict of interests.

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                                taiwan_girl
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                                #149

                                Hmm, weren't President Trump and the other moderator both Caucasian males with European ancestors? 6 degree of separation and all that.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #150

                                  Needs context? What context?
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                                  The Brad

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    Hmm, weren't President Trump and the other moderator both Caucasian males with European ancestors? 6 degree of separation and all that.

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                                    @taiwan_girl said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                    Hmm, weren't President Trump and the other moderator both Caucasian males with European ancestors? 6 degree of separation and all that.

                                    David Muir also clearly spends an inordinate amount of time arranging his hair and makeup.

                                    The two females involved in the debate probably less so.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • CopperC Copper

                                      One of the reasons for joining a sorority is making connections that will serve you later in life.

                                      This is the classic example of a conflict of interest.

                                      So what? The ABC guys will be happy to attack Mr. Trump with or without any sorority.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #152

                                      @Copper said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                      One of the reasons for joining a sorority is making connections that will serve you later in life.

                                      This is the classic example of a conflict of interest.

                                      So what? The ABC guys will be happy to attack Mr. Trump with or without any sorority.

                                      Harris was just speaking at her sorority meeting just a few weeks ago.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Horace
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                                        #153

                                        You can dismiss the charters of Greek organizations as archaic novelties that nobody pays attention to. But the charters are actually that there exists a lifetime bond to support one another, regardless of generation or location.

                                        But of course the real bond between the moderators and Kamala in this debate was much stronger. The bond of cultural tribe.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          Needs context? What context?
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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                          Needs context? What context?

                                          It didn’t need context. As written it’s false straight up.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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