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Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

    But you sure are behind this one...

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    @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

    You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

    You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      @Jolly @George-K @LuFins-Dad @Mik

      I agree it wasn't fair and it really was a coupe.

      But it seems so poorly managed that I don't think that there was as much pre-thought and planning that went into it.

      If in Sept 2023, you asked Demcrocats who should be running for President if President Biden did not, I am guessing that VP Harris would not win the poll.

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        #122

        Rove in the WSJ: “There’s no putting lipstick on this pig.”

        IMG_0053.jpeg

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
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          #123

          I wonder who American Crossroads is supporting this year, if anyone.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            #124

            Hasn't Rove's generation been out on Trump from the get-go?

            My expectations for Trump were very low going into the debate, but I don't think he got as completely pwned as most of the pundits are saying.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              #125

              I'd have to agree, Horace. He gave as good as he got in the half hour we listened to. They both babbled.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                #126

                https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

                TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

                The Brad

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                • MikM Away
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                  #127

                  Define winning.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

                    TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                    https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

                    TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

                    Nate ranks them 79th in terms of reliability. He hasn’t updated his forecast because no pollster he considers reliable has come out with new data.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                      https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

                      TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

                      Nate ranks them 79th in terms of reliability. He hasn’t updated his forecast because no pollster he considers reliable has come out with new data.

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                      @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                      https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/

                      TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.

                      Nate ranks them 79th in terms of reliability. He hasn’t updated his forecast because no pollster he considers reliable has come out with new data.

                      Great. So go back to the NYT/Sienna poll. Trump 48% - Harris 47%. How many of that 48% do you think changed their mind? Do you think that a single person that responded they were going to vote for Trump switched their vote?

                      That leaves “undecided” and non-responsive. Trump has always outperformed in these groups. Donald outperformed polls by over 3% in each of the last two elections do you expect any different this time?

                      A ridiculously small sample size, but Reuters interviewed 10 undecided voters before and after the debate. Almost all agreed that Kamala won, but 6 said they were closer to voting for Trump after the debate, 3 towards Kamala, and 1 unmoved by either.

                      The Brad

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Define winning.

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        @Mik said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                        Define winning.

                        I'm pretty sure I won the debate. I watched Kaos on Netflix.

                        I was only joking

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                          You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

                          You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                          @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                          You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

                          You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

                          Good summary

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Well, maybe some people changed their minds...

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                            @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                            Well, maybe some people changed their minds...

                            I saw the video, it was actually pretty nice. Biden (wow, he looks even older now) was having a fun convo with a guy in a Trump hat. He asked if he should sign a Presidential hat and the civilian says "hell no, you can't even remember your name" or something like that, which Biden jokes "yeah I'm pretty slow" but then they swap hats. Anyway... he's embracing the IDGAF mentality now.

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Mik said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                              Define winning.

                              I'm pretty sure I won the debate. I watched Kaos on Netflix.

                              MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #133

                              @Doctor-Phibes I'm down wit' that.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Rove in the WSJ: “There’s no putting lipstick on this pig.”

                                IMG_0053.jpeg

                                JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
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                                #134

                                @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                Rove in the WSJ: “There’s no putting lipstick on this pig.”

                                IMG_0053.jpeg

                                Go hang your hat on Rove. He's as relevant as Carville.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • 89th8 89th

                                  @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                  @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                  You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

                                  You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

                                  Good summary

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  #135

                                  @89th said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                  @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                  @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                                  You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.

                                  You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.

                                  Good summary

                                  Perception is reality.

                                  People in the city we're talking about believe that story. There's enough smoke, that a lot of people in similarly affected places believe that story.

                                  It matters not one red rolling rat's ass if Jon's neighbors believe that story or not.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
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                                    #136

                                    My cousin nails it.

                                    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4873167-debate-night-just-another-night-of-kamala-harris-dodging-all-substantive-questions/

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #137

                                      I think the one aspect on which the two candidates converged is that questions should be thought of as topic suggestions for your next round of talking points.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        Horace
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                                        You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

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                                          #139

                                          @Horace

                                          You don't become a viable national politician by answering questions directly or honestly. The talent is in seeming to have answered while not actually answering. Neither of those two made a good show of seeming to answer.

                                          Nailed it.

                                          I believe that is an indispensable, albeit despicable, talent or trait for successful politicians at all levels of government regardless of nationality, culture or race.

                                          Elbows up!

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