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  • RainmanR Offline
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    Rainman
    wrote on last edited by
    #19

    The protests and baby riots have been going on every single night, for around 50 days now. Man, I'd hate to be a cop, and have my profession dragged through the mud, and be forced to accept every night the bottles of frozen water thrown at me, along with rocks, trash, chunks of wood, whatever.

    In one sense, it's good, as one would expect even the most progressive would finally give in and vocalize a rising contempt towards these "protesters" and their endless Black Lives Matter chants, their statue-toppling, bond fires, and a big portion of downtown covered by graffiti.

    But, nope. It's as if everything is moving even farther to the left, where the "leadership" protects the rioters even more than before, in their kowtowing posture and hatred of Trump.

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    • L Loki

      @Horace said in Police State:

      @Horace said in Police State:

      @Axtremus said in Police State:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/

      Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.

      Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.

      How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?

      Bump for Ax.

      Not his style to return to a thread. Just start them.

      JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #20

      @Loki said in Police State:

      @Horace said in Police State:

      @Horace said in Police State:

      @Axtremus said in Police State:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/

      Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.

      Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.

      How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?

      Bump for Ax.

      Not his style to return to a thread. Just start them.

      Link to video

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #21

        BTW...If you don't want the Feds in your city, don't allow a Federal Courthouse to be vandalized, painted in graffiti and the windows broken.

        Secondly, if you don't want your face broken (literally), do not throw tear gas canisters back at a federal agent.

        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/leftists-flip-feds-descend-portland-bring-peace-streets-democrat-leaders-blame-trump-violence-ignoring-blm-rioters/

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • L Offline
          L Offline
          Loki
          wrote on last edited by
          #22

          The so called Police State had another “uneventful” evening of peaceful protesters building a campfire to stay warm I suppose.

          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/19/portland-police-declare-saturday-night-protests-riot/5467736002/

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #23

            Such a beautiful city. It'll be years before it's restored, and before I return.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • L Loki

              The so called Police State had another “uneventful” evening of peaceful protesters building a campfire to stay warm I suppose.

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/19/portland-police-declare-saturday-night-protests-riot/5467736002/

              JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #24

              @Loki said in Police State:

              The so called Police State had another “uneventful” evening of peaceful protesters building a campfire to stay warm I suppose.

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/19/portland-police-declare-saturday-night-protests-riot/5467736002/

              Heard a Portland cop interviewed on the radio this morning. He was leaving as fast as he could find another job.

              He talked about one smaller city in the geographical area, where he had an application in and was hoping to land the job...Less money, much lower stress.

              The problem with an exodus from the department, is that the only thing they will have left is old guys waiting on their pension, and will do the minimum to try to keep their jobs, and the young idiots who nobody else wants.

              That does not make for a good police force.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                You mean the folks peacefully rioting?

                AxtremusA Offline
                AxtremusA Offline
                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #25

                @Jolly said in Police State:

                You mean the folks peacefully rioting?

                No warrant, no probable cause.
                Just random people snatched off the streets.
                By unidentified armed forces.
                Think about it.

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                • George KG George K

                  Remember the good old days when the governor of a state asked for federal intervention because a farmer "occupied" federal lands?

                  Good times, eh?

                  AxtremusA Offline
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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #26

                  @George-K said in Police State:

                  Remember the good old days when the governor of a state asked for federal intervention because a farmer "occupied" federal lands?

                  Good times, eh?

                  Good intentioned cooperation between state/local government with the federal government; times were indeed better then.

                  Today, federal forces just barge in despite local/state government’s objection.

                  No warrant, no probable cause.
                  Just random people snatched off the streets.
                  By unidentified armed forces.
                  Think about it.

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                  • George KG George K

                    The people wearing masks are complaining about unmarked cars.

                    Got it.

                    AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #27

                    @George-K said in Police State:

                    The people wearing masks are complaining about unmarked cars.

                    Got it.

                    No warrant, no probable cause.
                    Just random people snatched off the streets.
                    By unidentified armed forces.
                    Think about it.

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                    • RainmanR Offline
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                      Rainman
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #28

                      Atta Boy, Ax 'ol buddy!
                      You show 'em.
                      They're all dumb.
                      You and me, man. We are the genious ones!
                      If they'd only listen. Know what I mean?

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #29

                        I suspect that somewhere in the backs of their mind, those sympathetic to the mindlessly destructive forces of the left realize that these things do not come for free. Maybe Ax is right to fear retribution against his political tribe.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • Catseye3C Offline
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                          Catseye3
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #30

                          From The Guardian (Excerpted): "The Trump administration has been consulting the former government lawyer who wrote the legal justification for waterboarding on how the president might try to rule by decree.

                          "John Yoo told the Guardian he has been talking to White House officials about his view that a recent supreme court ruling on immigration would allow Trump to issue executive orders on whether to apply existing federal laws.

                          “If the court really believes what it just did, then it just handed President Trump a great deal of power, too,” Yoo said.

                          “The supreme court has said President Obama could [choose not to] enforce immigration laws for about 2 million cases. And why can’t the Trump administration . . . create its own program, in areas [like] inner city policy. I talked to them about cities, because of the disorder.

                          "Constitutional scholars and human rights activists have also pointed to the deployment of paramilitary federal forces against protesters in Portland as a sign that Trump is ready to use this broad interpretation of presidential powers as a means to suppress basic constitutional rights.

                          "As an example of what Trump might achieve, Yoo suggested the president could declare a national right to carry firearms openly, in conflict with many state laws.

                          “He could declare that he would not enforce federal firearms laws,” Yoo wrote, “and that a new ‘Trump permit’ would free any holder of state and local gun-control restrictions.

                          “Even if Trump knew that his scheme lacked legal authority, he could get away with it for the length of his presidency,” he said.

                          More: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/20/trump-john-yoo-lawyer-torture-waterboarding

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          • L Offline
                            L Offline
                            Loki
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #31

                            Moms and Dads were marching last in Portland.

                            We’ve come a long way from the 60’s “Don’t trust anyone over 30”.

                            Actually I don’t think the rioters (PNW Youth Liberation Front) are gonna like it.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Jolly said in Police State:

                              You mean the folks peacefully rioting?

                              No warrant, no probable cause.
                              Just random people snatched off the streets.
                              By unidentified armed forces.
                              Think about it.

                              LarryL Offline
                              LarryL Offline
                              Larry
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #32

                              @Axtremus said in Police State:

                              @Jolly said in Police State:

                              You mean the folks peacefully rioting?

                              No warrant, no probable cause.
                              Just random people snatched off the streets.
                              By unidentified armed forces.
                              Think about it.

                              Didn't need a warrant because they most definitely DID have probable cause.
                              They weren't just random people, they were each and everyone had been witnessed destroying property, the feds followed them until they were not in the crowd, and then captured them.
                              They weren't unidentified, every single one of them had an insignia on their uniform.

                              What I am thinking about is how gullible you are, to swallow every lie you get told if it comes from the Left. You are the perfect useful idiot.

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                              • LarryL Offline
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                                Larry
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #33

                                It's time to start shooting real bullets at these son's of bitches. And it's time to stop referring to them as protesters. Peaceful or otherwise. They are anarchists. They need to be given the same choice any enemy is given - surrender or die.

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                                • jon-nycJ Online
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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #34

                                  Read the whole thread.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                    #35

                                    SecDef concerned about Trump’s thugs dressing like soldiers.

                                    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/esper-federal-agents-military-protests-376381

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • HoraceH Offline
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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #36

                                      Terrifying.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • LarryL Offline
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                                        Larry
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #37

                                        Utter bull shit, Jon.

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                                        • LarryL Offline
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                                          Larry
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #38

                                          https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/508227-lets-stop-the-nonsense-about-federal-agents-in-portland

                                          There have been conflicting reports about federal agents in camouflage and unmarked vehicles detaining protesters in Portland, Ore., without cause. This comes on the heels of scenes of federal officers, outfitted in blue shirts and tactical vests but no official patches or badges, protecting facilities in Washington, D.C., in June. The events have called into question the role of federal law enforcement and how it intersects with traditional policing.

                                          While many federal law enforcement agencies are investigative in nature and have special agents, not police officers, some do have a more traditional police role. The Secret Service Uniformed Division has been in operation since 1922 and provides traditional law enforcement services around the White House and foreign embassies in the U.S. Its agents conduct operations around the president and other dignitaries, including K-9, explosive ordnance disposal, and counter-assault teams. The Capitol Police is approximately 1,500 police officers strong and functions much like a traditional police department. Many other agencies have uniformed police officers as well, including the FBI, whose police officers protect the agency’s headquarters, FBI Academy in Quantico, Va., and its enormous field offices in Washington and New York.

                                          But recent videos of federal agents in Portland detaining suspects has sparked debate, and critics of President Trump and Attorney General William Barr are making analogies to secret military operations and private armies. Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said “they are snatching people off the street with no underlying justification.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) referred to federal agents in Portland as “Stormtroopers” in a tweet. Said Juan Chavez, director of the civil rights project at the Oregon Justice Resource Center: “It’s like stop and frisk meets Guantanamo Bay.” This is nonsense.

                                          The federal building and courthouse in Portland have been under assault by demonstrators for more than two weeks. In addition to the “mere graffiti” that opponents of the federal response have pointed to, there has been substantial damage to windows and doors; protesters have attempted to set fire to the facility; and federal agents attempting to stop the violence have been assaulted while the protestors blind them with laser lights. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler has sided with the protesters and told Portland police to back down. Last week he told the acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf to send the federal agents away.

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