Police State
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@Horace said in Police State:
@Horace said in Police State:
@Axtremus said in Police State:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/
Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.
Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.
How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?
Bump for Ax.
Not his style to return to a thread. Just start them.
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Local news tonight showed video from last night, the same source I was viewing live at 3 am.
As presented, it's the Mayor and Governor against Trump. That is not surprising at all of course, but it's obvious what the game is.
Mayor and Gov would not meet with DHS representative, instead telling him via email or Twitter to get out of town. They emphasized that everything is fine with protesting, but that Trump is making things worse. The mayor even laid out a stupid 3-part plan to end the excesses in protesting, but of course federal Marshals are deliberately stomping on rights, so the plan cannot be implemented.
What I can't figure, is that the Marshals are in the Federal courthouse, and come out on the sidewalk, use tear gas to disperse the crowd that wants to burn the federal courthouse down, or threaten to do so in between adding another layer of graffiti. Then the Marshals form a line, and disperse the protesters, everyone moving down the street. Rinse and repeat.
Where does the federal authority end, IOW how far down the street can they go? Ax old buddy, you around? Ax would know. Ax always knows.
And standing behind the Marshals doing nothing but chatting with each other? The Portland Police. They stood down while the rioters tear down the temporary fence, and throw it on the fire they built.
Tonight should be great. It's a beautiful evening for a riot, not too hot, and it's a Friday, so maybe some working folks from out of town can come join the fun.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Horace said in Police State:
It's interesting to me the left-leaning folk prancing around about all the slippery slopes Trump the Fascist represents, who never say a word about stuff like Chaz or the riots. The actual violence being used by actual people motivated by actual politics.
Yeah peaceful protestors at 3 am. And people buy this, I’m afraid it may be unwinnable for a while.
Best to withdraw from Portland and let the protesters run and ravage the city. It’s the only way people will return to their senses.
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The protests and baby riots have been going on every single night, for around 50 days now. Man, I'd hate to be a cop, and have my profession dragged through the mud, and be forced to accept every night the bottles of frozen water thrown at me, along with rocks, trash, chunks of wood, whatever.
In one sense, it's good, as one would expect even the most progressive would finally give in and vocalize a rising contempt towards these "protesters" and their endless Black Lives Matter chants, their statue-toppling, bond fires, and a big portion of downtown covered by graffiti.
But, nope. It's as if everything is moving even farther to the left, where the "leadership" protects the rioters even more than before, in their kowtowing posture and hatred of Trump.
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@Loki said in Police State:
Link to video@Horace said in Police State:
@Horace said in Police State:
@Axtremus said in Police State:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/
Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.
Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.
How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?
Bump for Ax.
Not his style to return to a thread. Just start them.
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BTW...If you don't want the Feds in your city, don't allow a Federal Courthouse to be vandalized, painted in graffiti and the windows broken.
Secondly, if you don't want your face broken (literally), do not throw tear gas canisters back at a federal agent.
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The so called Police State had another “uneventful” evening of peaceful protesters building a campfire to stay warm I suppose.
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@Loki said in Police State:
The so called Police State had another “uneventful” evening of peaceful protesters building a campfire to stay warm I suppose.
Heard a Portland cop interviewed on the radio this morning. He was leaving as fast as he could find another job.
He talked about one smaller city in the geographical area, where he had an application in and was hoping to land the job...Less money, much lower stress.
The problem with an exodus from the department, is that the only thing they will have left is old guys waiting on their pension, and will do the minimum to try to keep their jobs, and the young idiots who nobody else wants.
That does not make for a good police force.
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@George-K said in Police State:
Remember the good old days when the governor of a state asked for federal intervention because a farmer "occupied" federal lands?
Good times, eh?
Good intentioned cooperation between state/local government with the federal government; times were indeed better then.
Today, federal forces just barge in despite local/state government’s objection.
No warrant, no probable cause.
Just random people snatched off the streets.
By unidentified armed forces.
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From The Guardian (Excerpted): "The Trump administration has been consulting the former government lawyer who wrote the legal justification for waterboarding on how the president might try to rule by decree.
"John Yoo told the Guardian he has been talking to White House officials about his view that a recent supreme court ruling on immigration would allow Trump to issue executive orders on whether to apply existing federal laws.
“If the court really believes what it just did, then it just handed President Trump a great deal of power, too,” Yoo said.
“The supreme court has said President Obama could [choose not to] enforce immigration laws for about 2 million cases. And why can’t the Trump administration . . . create its own program, in areas [like] inner city policy. I talked to them about cities, because of the disorder.
"Constitutional scholars and human rights activists have also pointed to the deployment of paramilitary federal forces against protesters in Portland as a sign that Trump is ready to use this broad interpretation of presidential powers as a means to suppress basic constitutional rights.
"As an example of what Trump might achieve, Yoo suggested the president could declare a national right to carry firearms openly, in conflict with many state laws.
“He could declare that he would not enforce federal firearms laws,” Yoo wrote, “and that a new ‘Trump permit’ would free any holder of state and local gun-control restrictions.
“Even if Trump knew that his scheme lacked legal authority, he could get away with it for the length of his presidency,” he said.
More: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/20/trump-john-yoo-lawyer-torture-waterboarding
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@Axtremus said in Police State:
@Jolly said in Police State:
You mean the folks peacefully rioting?
No warrant, no probable cause.
Just random people snatched off the streets.
By unidentified armed forces.
Think about it.Didn't need a warrant because they most definitely DID have probable cause.
They weren't just random people, they were each and everyone had been witnessed destroying property, the feds followed them until they were not in the crowd, and then captured them.
They weren't unidentified, every single one of them had an insignia on their uniform.What I am thinking about is how gullible you are, to swallow every lie you get told if it comes from the Left. You are the perfect useful idiot.
