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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #11

    The people wearing masks are complaining about unmarked cars.

    Got it.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • LarryL Offline
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      Larry
      wrote on last edited by
      #12

      The ACLU is a joke. The Washington Post is a joke. The claims made in the article are a joke. Arresting people who are destroying everything they can and have a stated goal of creating a police state themselves is not a "police state". It's stopping one from forming.

      I told you this was coming. Modern liberalism was a mental disease. The patient has died, and a fungus is eating its corpse. Meanwhile the democrat religion is busy creating altars to their gods, and unprincipled men and other fools are its apostles.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        @Axtremus said in Police State:

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/

        Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.

        Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.

        How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?

        HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #13

        @Horace said in Police State:

        @Axtremus said in Police State:

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/

        Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.

        Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.

        How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?

        Bump for Ax.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @Horace said in Police State:

          @Axtremus said in Police State:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/

          Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.

          Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.

          How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?

          Bump for Ax.

          L Offline
          L Offline
          Loki
          wrote on last edited by
          #14

          @Horace said in Police State:

          @Horace said in Police State:

          @Axtremus said in Police State:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/

          Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.

          Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.

          How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?

          Bump for Ax.

          Not his style to return to a thread. Just start them.

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          • RainmanR Offline
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            Rainman
            wrote on last edited by
            #15

            Local news tonight showed video from last night, the same source I was viewing live at 3 am.

            As presented, it's the Mayor and Governor against Trump. That is not surprising at all of course, but it's obvious what the game is.

            Mayor and Gov would not meet with DHS representative, instead telling him via email or Twitter to get out of town. They emphasized that everything is fine with protesting, but that Trump is making things worse. The mayor even laid out a stupid 3-part plan to end the excesses in protesting, but of course federal Marshals are deliberately stomping on rights, so the plan cannot be implemented.

            What I can't figure, is that the Marshals are in the Federal courthouse, and come out on the sidewalk, use tear gas to disperse the crowd that wants to burn the federal courthouse down, or threaten to do so in between adding another layer of graffiti. Then the Marshals form a line, and disperse the protesters, everyone moving down the street. Rinse and repeat.

            Where does the federal authority end, IOW how far down the street can they go? Ax old buddy, you around? Ax would know. Ax always knows.

            And standing behind the Marshals doing nothing but chatting with each other? The Portland Police. They stood down while the rioters tear down the temporary fence, and throw it on the fire they built.

            Tonight should be great. It's a beautiful evening for a riot, not too hot, and it's a Friday, so maybe some working folks from out of town can come join the fun.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #16

              It's interesting to me the left-leaning folk prancing around about all the slippery slopes Trump the Fascist represents, who never say a word about stuff like Chaz or the riots. The actual violence being used by actual people motivated by actual politics.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #17

                Remember the good old days when the governor of a state asked for federal intervention because a farmer "occupied" federal lands?

                Good times, eh?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  It's interesting to me the left-leaning folk prancing around about all the slippery slopes Trump the Fascist represents, who never say a word about stuff like Chaz or the riots. The actual violence being used by actual people motivated by actual politics.

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                  Loki
                  wrote on last edited by Loki
                  #18

                  @Horace said in Police State:

                  It's interesting to me the left-leaning folk prancing around about all the slippery slopes Trump the Fascist represents, who never say a word about stuff like Chaz or the riots. The actual violence being used by actual people motivated by actual politics.

                  Yeah peaceful protestors at 3 am. And people buy this, I’m afraid it may be unwinnable for a while.

                  Best to withdraw from Portland and let the protesters run and ravage the city. It’s the only way people will return to their senses.

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                  • RainmanR Offline
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                    Rainman
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #19

                    The protests and baby riots have been going on every single night, for around 50 days now. Man, I'd hate to be a cop, and have my profession dragged through the mud, and be forced to accept every night the bottles of frozen water thrown at me, along with rocks, trash, chunks of wood, whatever.

                    In one sense, it's good, as one would expect even the most progressive would finally give in and vocalize a rising contempt towards these "protesters" and their endless Black Lives Matter chants, their statue-toppling, bond fires, and a big portion of downtown covered by graffiti.

                    But, nope. It's as if everything is moving even farther to the left, where the "leadership" protects the rioters even more than before, in their kowtowing posture and hatred of Trump.

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                    • L Loki

                      @Horace said in Police State:

                      @Horace said in Police State:

                      @Axtremus said in Police State:

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/

                      Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.

                      Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.

                      How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?

                      Bump for Ax.

                      Not his style to return to a thread. Just start them.

                      JollyJ Offline
                      JollyJ Offline
                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #20

                      @Loki said in Police State:

                      @Horace said in Police State:

                      @Horace said in Police State:

                      @Axtremus said in Police State:

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/

                      Supposed “federal officers” jumped out of unmarked van grabbing people off the street without warrant and without probable cause. If you worry about federal forces imposing “police state,” that should worry you.

                      Are you worried about a police state? I'm not.

                      How about the precedent set at Chaz, where a leftist mob violently overthrew a neighborhood? Did that worry you? The precedent of the socially condoned riots in response to a viral video of a progressive sacrilege? Did that worry you? Is anybody really worried about anything or is everybody play acting emotional responses to whatever their tribe is supposed to respond to? is there a difference between a play acted emotion and a real one? Is there a difference between the rage a member of a mob feels because the mob around them is enraged, and the rage an individual feels because of something that happened to them personally?

                      Bump for Ax.

                      Not his style to return to a thread. Just start them.

                      Link to video

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #21

                        BTW...If you don't want the Feds in your city, don't allow a Federal Courthouse to be vandalized, painted in graffiti and the windows broken.

                        Secondly, if you don't want your face broken (literally), do not throw tear gas canisters back at a federal agent.

                        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/leftists-flip-feds-descend-portland-bring-peace-streets-democrat-leaders-blame-trump-violence-ignoring-blm-rioters/

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • L Offline
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                          Loki
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #22

                          The so called Police State had another “uneventful” evening of peaceful protesters building a campfire to stay warm I suppose.

                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/19/portland-police-declare-saturday-night-protests-riot/5467736002/

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #23

                            Such a beautiful city. It'll be years before it's restored, and before I return.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • L Loki

                              The so called Police State had another “uneventful” evening of peaceful protesters building a campfire to stay warm I suppose.

                              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/19/portland-police-declare-saturday-night-protests-riot/5467736002/

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #24

                              @Loki said in Police State:

                              The so called Police State had another “uneventful” evening of peaceful protesters building a campfire to stay warm I suppose.

                              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/19/portland-police-declare-saturday-night-protests-riot/5467736002/

                              Heard a Portland cop interviewed on the radio this morning. He was leaving as fast as he could find another job.

                              He talked about one smaller city in the geographical area, where he had an application in and was hoping to land the job...Less money, much lower stress.

                              The problem with an exodus from the department, is that the only thing they will have left is old guys waiting on their pension, and will do the minimum to try to keep their jobs, and the young idiots who nobody else wants.

                              That does not make for a good police force.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                You mean the folks peacefully rioting?

                                AxtremusA Offline
                                AxtremusA Offline
                                Axtremus
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #25

                                @Jolly said in Police State:

                                You mean the folks peacefully rioting?

                                No warrant, no probable cause.
                                Just random people snatched off the streets.
                                By unidentified armed forces.
                                Think about it.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  Remember the good old days when the governor of a state asked for federal intervention because a farmer "occupied" federal lands?

                                  Good times, eh?

                                  AxtremusA Offline
                                  AxtremusA Offline
                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #26

                                  @George-K said in Police State:

                                  Remember the good old days when the governor of a state asked for federal intervention because a farmer "occupied" federal lands?

                                  Good times, eh?

                                  Good intentioned cooperation between state/local government with the federal government; times were indeed better then.

                                  Today, federal forces just barge in despite local/state government’s objection.

                                  No warrant, no probable cause.
                                  Just random people snatched off the streets.
                                  By unidentified armed forces.
                                  Think about it.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    The people wearing masks are complaining about unmarked cars.

                                    Got it.

                                    AxtremusA Offline
                                    AxtremusA Offline
                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #27

                                    @George-K said in Police State:

                                    The people wearing masks are complaining about unmarked cars.

                                    Got it.

                                    No warrant, no probable cause.
                                    Just random people snatched off the streets.
                                    By unidentified armed forces.
                                    Think about it.

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                                    • RainmanR Offline
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                                      Rainman
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #28

                                      Atta Boy, Ax 'ol buddy!
                                      You show 'em.
                                      They're all dumb.
                                      You and me, man. We are the genious ones!
                                      If they'd only listen. Know what I mean?

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                                      • HoraceH Offline
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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #29

                                        I suspect that somewhere in the backs of their mind, those sympathetic to the mindlessly destructive forces of the left realize that these things do not come for free. Maybe Ax is right to fear retribution against his political tribe.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          Catseye3
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                                          From The Guardian (Excerpted): "The Trump administration has been consulting the former government lawyer who wrote the legal justification for waterboarding on how the president might try to rule by decree.

                                          "John Yoo told the Guardian he has been talking to White House officials about his view that a recent supreme court ruling on immigration would allow Trump to issue executive orders on whether to apply existing federal laws.

                                          “If the court really believes what it just did, then it just handed President Trump a great deal of power, too,” Yoo said.

                                          “The supreme court has said President Obama could [choose not to] enforce immigration laws for about 2 million cases. And why can’t the Trump administration . . . create its own program, in areas [like] inner city policy. I talked to them about cities, because of the disorder.

                                          "Constitutional scholars and human rights activists have also pointed to the deployment of paramilitary federal forces against protesters in Portland as a sign that Trump is ready to use this broad interpretation of presidential powers as a means to suppress basic constitutional rights.

                                          "As an example of what Trump might achieve, Yoo suggested the president could declare a national right to carry firearms openly, in conflict with many state laws.

                                          “He could declare that he would not enforce federal firearms laws,” Yoo wrote, “and that a new ‘Trump permit’ would free any holder of state and local gun-control restrictions.

                                          “Even if Trump knew that his scheme lacked legal authority, he could get away with it for the length of his presidency,” he said.

                                          More: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/20/trump-john-yoo-lawyer-torture-waterboarding

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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