Trump Disqualified in Colorado

[89th]

@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?

Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.

Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

Maybe. But elections are elections. If hypothetically Trump is out of the picture by early 2024, and the decision is Biden vs Haley (my preferred) or DeSantis, I think they would fare well. Haley is refreshing... conservative without offensive, and DeSantis is strong but awkward... both poll well against Biden and imagine Biden in a debate these days... he cane barely shuffle his right leg when he's walking to the next ice cream shop. No joke, watch him walk.

Personally, I would love Haley or Christie, but I know Christie is a (kitchen) cabinet guy at this point.

[LuFins Dad]

@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

Here’s a thought… Maybe it wasn’t an actual insurrection at all… Hell, most of the charges gild for January 6th are unlawful parading. Ooohhh, scary.

[LuFins Dad]

@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?

Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.

Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

Another candidate losing the general is preferring in my mind than Trump winning.

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated.

I get the first sentence but the second “Anybody else will be annihilated” doesn’t seem to follow.

Can you clarify what you mean with that statement?

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.

Maybe in your neck of the woods. Down here, I don't see Trump as a candidate, I see him as a movement.

[LuFins Dad]

@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.

Maybe in your neck of the woods. Down here, I don't see Trump as a candidate, I see him as a movement.

A bowel movement. Trump’s bully boys are far worse than Bernie Bros.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

Down here, I don't see Trump as a candidate, I see him as a movement.

Talk about low hanging fruit!

You really are the reincarnation of Sen. Beauregard Claghorn, aren’t you?

[George K]

Trump lost Colorado by 17 points, iirc. His absence on the ballot is probably moot.

But, this is an interesting precedent - removing a candidate you don’t like through lawfare.

I believe there are other states looking at similar lawsuits.

[George K]

Gorsuch:

The Colorado Supreme Court cited Gorsuch's ruling as cover for its unprecedented decision to kick Trump off a primary ballot based on the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.

"As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office,'" the state opinion reads.

In 2012, Gorsuch dealt with a far less weighty case. It is worth pointing out that his decision is not even three pages long.

Still, the appeals court was asked to consider whether then-Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler had acted properly when his office decided that Abdul Hassan, an independent candidate for president, could not be on the state's ballot because Hassan was ineligible to be president. Hassan, who was born in Guyana, was a naturalized citizen but in Colorado's view, he was not a natural-born citizen. While the Supreme Court has never definitely ruled on the phrase, it has been taken to mean that a candidate must be born on US soil or born to a parent who is an American citizen.

Gorusch found Colorado was well within its rights. Interestingly, there is one more tie to the 2012 case. Gessler is now one of Trump's lawyers.

Gorsuch's reasoning sounds...sound. The Constitution is clear on the qualifications for a person to be president. It'll be interesting to see how/if Colorado's lawyers prove that Trump is disqualified because of a crime that he was not indicted for or found guilty of.

[Mik]

Ah, but they’re already pointing to that decision to claim hypocrisy when the cases are related only by being part of the 14th.

[LuFins Dad]

Do they realize that these ridiculous cases actually makes the legitimate cases look bad? They make the hollow claims of legal conspiracies from Trump actually ring true?

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

They make the hollow claims of legal conspiracies from Trump actually ring true?

If you're going to strike at the king, you'd better kill him.

Also, I've seen several talking heads comment about "unelected judges." My understanding is that vacancies in Colorado are appointed by the governor, but after a certain period of time, they are up for election.

When a vacancy on the court occurs, a commission established by the state constitution reviews submitted applications.[5] The commission submits three names to the Governor. The Governor of Colorado then has 15 days to select the next justice from that list.

The justice selected serves a provisional two-year term before facing a retention election. The voters then chose whether to retain or not retain the justice. If the justice is retained, they go on to serve a full 10-year term before the next retention election.

So it looks like only one of the Justices was appointed. And I'm not sure about that one. The other 6 went through a reappointment election.

[Horace]

They told me I should be afraid of our democracy being stolen by paperwork, and they were right.

[George K]

The Lieutenant Governor of California.

[Copper]

I think now we can all agree with Mr. Trump. It is rigged.

[George K]

Read the last paragraph...carefully.

The Lt. Gov. probably missed that day in Con Law.

[Horace]

35 for non insurrectionists. 40 for insurrectionists. Wrong on all counts.

[Doctor Phibes]

This is so dumb. Don't these eejits realise it will win Trump votes?

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

This is so dumb. Don't these eejits realise it will win Trump votes?

They don't care.