Trump Disqualified in Colorado
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@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
The 14th amendment doesn’t mention anything about convictions for federal crimes.
Fair enough. Does Colorado have jurisdiction over federal elections?
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 02:44 last edited by@George-K said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Does Colorado have jurisdiction over federal elections?
I believe there are no federal elections.
Each State has its own process to choose electors.
Article II of the Constitution
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
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wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 02:52 last edited by
Just curious, if this were a normal citizen would it be expedited to the SCOTUS just as quickly?
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wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 03:00 last edited by
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
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wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 03:17 last edited by
I won’t feel safe until Colorado is in prison.
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wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 03:28 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I quite like the idea of an asshole registry. A bit like the sexual offenders register, but for assholes. It would be made publicly accessible and searchable, and would be very useful if you were thinking of buying a house or moving jobs. They'd still allow people on the registry to run for Congress, the Presidency and what-have-you, but they'd be forced to legibly display "Registered Asshole" on all their campaign literature.
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For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 03:47 last edited by@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?
Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
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@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?
Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 03:54 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
If he wins isn't he essentially going to be a lame duck after about two years?
Do we want to watch the pathetic indignity of him heading a campaign to have the two-term limit over-turned? Damn right we do!
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@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?
Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 05:47 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?
Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
Maybe. But elections are elections. If hypothetically Trump is out of the picture by early 2024, and the decision is Biden vs Haley (my preferred) or DeSantis, I think they would fare well. Haley is refreshing... conservative without offensive, and DeSantis is strong but awkward... both poll well against Biden and imagine Biden in a debate these days... he cane barely shuffle his right leg when he's walking to the next ice cream shop. No joke, watch him walk.
Personally, I would love Haley or Christie, but I know Christie is a (kitchen) cabinet guy at this point.
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For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 05:56 last edited by@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Here’s a thought… Maybe it wasn’t an actual insurrection at all… Hell, most of the charges gild for January 6th are unlawful parading. Ooohhh, scary.
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@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?
Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 13:51 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?
Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
Another candidate losing the general is preferring in my mind than Trump winning.
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@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?
Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 13:54 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.
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@89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!
Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.
Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?
Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
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@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 15:06 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.
Maybe in your neck of the woods. Down here, I don't see Trump as a candidate, I see him as a movement.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.
Maybe in your neck of the woods. Down here, I don't see Trump as a candidate, I see him as a movement.
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 15:09 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.
Maybe in your neck of the woods. Down here, I don't see Trump as a candidate, I see him as a movement.
A bowel movement. Trump’s bully boys are far worse than Bernie Bros.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...
A good chunk of them would vote RFK Jr.
Maybe in your neck of the woods. Down here, I don't see Trump as a candidate, I see him as a movement.
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wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 15:19 last edited by
Trump lost Colorado by 17 points, iirc. His absence on the ballot is probably moot.
But, this is an interesting precedent - removing a candidate you don’t like through lawfare.
I believe there are other states looking at similar lawsuits.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 00:21 last edited by
The Colorado Supreme Court cited Gorsuch's ruling as cover for its unprecedented decision to kick Trump off a primary ballot based on the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.
"As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office,'" the state opinion reads.
In 2012, Gorsuch dealt with a far less weighty case. It is worth pointing out that his decision is not even three pages long.
Still, the appeals court was asked to consider whether then-Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler had acted properly when his office decided that Abdul Hassan, an independent candidate for president, could not be on the state's ballot because Hassan was ineligible to be president. Hassan, who was born in Guyana, was a naturalized citizen but in Colorado's view, he was not a natural-born citizen. While the Supreme Court has never definitely ruled on the phrase, it has been taken to mean that a candidate must be born on US soil or born to a parent who is an American citizen.
Gorusch found Colorado was well within its rights. Interestingly, there is one more tie to the 2012 case. Gessler is now one of Trump's lawyers.
Gorsuch's reasoning sounds...sound. The Constitution is clear on the qualifications for a person to be president. It'll be interesting to see how/if Colorado's lawyers prove that Trump is disqualified because of a crime that he was not indicted for or found guilty of.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 00:54 last edited by
Ah, but they’re already pointing to that decision to claim hypocrisy when the cases are related only by being part of the 14th.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 00:55 last edited by
Do they realize that these ridiculous cases actually makes the legitimate cases look bad? They make the hollow claims of legal conspiracies from Trump actually ring true?
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Do they realize that these ridiculous cases actually makes the legitimate cases look bad? They make the hollow claims of legal conspiracies from Trump actually ring true?
wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 01:01 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
They make the hollow claims of legal conspiracies from Trump actually ring true?
If you're going to strike at the king, you'd better kill him.
Also, I've seen several talking heads comment about "unelected judges." My understanding is that vacancies in Colorado are appointed by the governor, but after a certain period of time, they are up for election.
When a vacancy on the court occurs, a commission established by the state constitution reviews submitted applications.[5] The commission submits three names to the Governor. The Governor of Colorado then has 15 days to select the next justice from that list.
The justice selected serves a provisional two-year term before facing a retention election. The voters then chose whether to retain or not retain the justice. If the justice is retained, they go on to serve a full 10-year term before the next retention election.
So it looks like only one of the Justices was appointed. And I'm not sure about that one. The other 6 went through a reappointment election.
