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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
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    #646

    This is not a 21st century problem. This is a 13th century problem.

    The problem with that interpretation is that the King of France, Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement V, disbanded and destroyed the Knights Templar in the early 14th Century. I am quite sure you are aware of that fact.

    No, it is very much an unresolved problem that started in the 20th century with the Treaty of Paris in 1919. Subsequent events in the region have grown out of the consequences of what that document facilitated.

    Elbows up!

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      Well written piece in the Atlantic.

      Discussing the decolonization theory.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

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      • bachophileB bachophile

        Well written piece in the Atlantic.

        Discussing the decolonization theory.

        https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

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        Renauda
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        #648

        @bachophile

        Unfortunately the article is behind a paywall. Montefiore is a very good writer and historian, what he writes is always of strong merit.

        Elbows up!

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        • George KG Offline
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          Interesting Proposal:

          "Here’s a proposal - for every day Hamas releases at least 20 hostages AND fires zero missiles at Israel, Israel agrees to a one-day ceasefire. That would allow for at least 10 days of a “ceasefire.” Would Hamas agree to this very modest proposal?"

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            This is not a 21st century problem. This is a 13th century problem.

            The problem with that interpretation is that the King of France, Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement V, disbanded and destroyed the Knights Templar in the early 14th Century. I am quite sure you are aware of that fact.

            No, it is very much an unresolved problem that started in the 20th century with the Treaty of Paris in 1919. Subsequent events in the region have grown out of the consequences of what that document facilitated.

            JollyJ Offline
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            #650

            @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            This is not a 21st century problem. This is a 13th century problem.

            The problem with that interpretation is that the King of France, Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement V, disbanded and destroyed the Knights Templar in the early 14th Century. I am quite sure you are aware of that fact.

            No, it is very much an unresolved problem that started in the 20th century with the Treaty of Paris in 1919. Subsequent events in the region have grown out of the consequences of what that document facilitated.

            Ok, Israel can go in there, fight a conventional modern war and this problem will come roaring back as it always does.

            You could even create a Palestinian state and it would make little to no difference.

            Again, applying modern tactics to the 13th century foe.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              This is not a 21st century problem. This is a 13th century problem.

              The problem with that interpretation is that the King of France, Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement V, disbanded and destroyed the Knights Templar in the early 14th Century. I am quite sure you are aware of that fact.

              No, it is very much an unresolved problem that started in the 20th century with the Treaty of Paris in 1919. Subsequent events in the region have grown out of the consequences of what that document facilitated.

              LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #651

              @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              This is not a 21st century problem. This is a 13th century problem.

              The problem with that interpretation is that the King of France, Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement V, disbanded and destroyed the Knights Templar in the early 14th Century. I am quite sure you are aware of that fact.

              No, it is very much an unresolved problem that started in the 20th century with the Treaty of Paris in 1919. Subsequent events in the region have grown out of the consequences of what that document facilitated.

              The problem is at least 2 decades older than the treaty. Go back and look at the population numbers from 1880 through 1910. Both the Jewish and the Islamic population exploded far beyond normal reproductive rates for the region… Both groups began to actively populate the region.

              Of course, the truth of 1890-1948 is irrelevant. What matters is that you now have 4 generations on both sides that have embraced perceptions and “feels”.

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                This is not a 21st century problem. This is a 13th century problem.

                The problem with that interpretation is that the King of France, Phillip the Fair and Pope Clement V, disbanded and destroyed the Knights Templar in the early 14th Century. I am quite sure you are aware of that fact.

                No, it is very much an unresolved problem that started in the 20th century with the Treaty of Paris in 1919. Subsequent events in the region have grown out of the consequences of what that document facilitated.

                The problem is at least 2 decades older than the treaty. Go back and look at the population numbers from 1880 through 1910. Both the Jewish and the Islamic population exploded far beyond normal reproductive rates for the region… Both groups began to actively populate the region.

                Of course, the truth of 1890-1948 is irrelevant. What matters is that you now have 4 generations on both sides that have embraced perceptions and “feels”.

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                Renauda
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                #652

                @LuFins-Dad

                True enough. However the local Arab Muslims and Christians and the Sephardic Jews who lived there did so in relative peace (and under the Ottoman thumb) until the 1920’s when Palestine fell under the British Mandate. Rather than deal with the rising tensions, the British were preoccupied with keeping the members of the Hashemite dynasty in positions of power throughout greater Syria and Mesopotamia. Tensions and violence between Arabs and Jews increased with the trickle of of European Jews immigrating into Palestine. It reached a boiling point during WWII when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem went into exile and into the welcoming arms of Hitler and the Nazis.

                So while these pre 1948 events may seem irrelevant today, they set the stage for the 4 generations of perceptions and feels you describe between Arab and Israeli that have continued to fester and periodically explode into flames throughout the Cold War and into the present.

                Elbows up!

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                    bachophile
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                    DECE2CED-D1D9-4FC2-A7A9-E8A5716ACE0F.jpeg

                    Lots of shit going on

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                      Btw IDF rescued a female soldier hostage. Breaking news.

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                        Btw IDF rescued a female soldier hostage. Breaking news.

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                          Lots of N/A flights on flightradar these days, LOL. For example, this one...

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                            drones for the most part

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              Allah'u Akhbar!

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                              @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              Allah'u Akhbar!

                              The mother of Shani Louk, an Israeli-German woman thought to have been kidnapped by Hamas gunmen at a music festival in Israel, says her daughter is dead.
                              Speaking to German media, Ricarda Louk said she had been told by the Israeli military that a DNA sample taken from part of a skull bone proved to be Shani's.
                              Her body has not yet been found.

                              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67260093?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

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                                jon-nyc
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                                You were warned.

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  I imagine it's difficult to destroy tunnels without some damage to the overlying buildings.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    Allah'u Akhbar!

                                    The mother of Shani Louk, an Israeli-German woman thought to have been kidnapped by Hamas gunmen at a music festival in Israel, says her daughter is dead.
                                    Speaking to German media, Ricarda Louk said she had been told by the Israeli military that a DNA sample taken from part of a skull bone proved to be Shani's.
                                    Her body has not yet been found.

                                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67260093?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

                                    JollyJ Offline
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                                    @taiwan_girl said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    Allah'u Akhbar!

                                    The mother of Shani Louk, an Israeli-German woman thought to have been kidnapped by Hamas gunmen at a music festival in Israel, says her daughter is dead.
                                    Speaking to German media, Ricarda Louk said she had been told by the Israeli military that a DNA sample taken from part of a skull bone proved to be Shani's.
                                    Her body has not yet been found.

                                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67260093?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

                                    But, but, Hamas kept saying she was alive. Hamas wouldn't lie to the world, would they?

                                    And that, my friends, is a major part of this current problem...Much of the media takes the garbage Hamas feeds them and reports it as news.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      She seemed dead in the video where she was lying in truck bed.

                                      You were warned.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        She seemed dead in the video where she was lying in truck bed.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                        She seemed dead in the video where she was lying in truck bed.

                                        Yes. I believe I posted that video the day after the attack.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          #665

                                          I bet Hamas released her and those damn Jews thought it would look better for them if she was dead. Lying murderous bastards!

                                          Edit to add, this is of course some of the responses seen, not my own personal view…

                                          The Brad

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