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Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic

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  • MikM Mik

    Not certified because innovation.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-maker-of-the-lost-titanic-sub-said-innovation-was-the-reason-the-vessel-wasn-t-checked-to-see-if-it-was-up-to-industry-standards/ar-AA1cNp5H?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=84e1b98e3ff24e2d8a123968aa7c6d43&ei=53

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    @Mik said in Joining the Titanic:

    Not certified because innovation.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-maker-of-the-lost-titanic-sub-said-innovation-was-the-reason-the-vessel-wasn-t-checked-to-see-if-it-was-up-to-industry-standards/ar-AA1cNp5H?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=84e1b98e3ff24e2d8a123968aa7c6d43&ei=53

    I've had pretty much that conversation a number of times with people who think they know better than the folks who put tens of thousands of man-hours into developing safety standards, and that by applying "basic common sense engineering" they can make things every bit as safe, and much more effective than the rest of the poor saps who follow the rules.

    I've said it here before, but working in industrial safety nothing sets my alarms bells ringing as quickly as the job-title "President and Founder" in an email signature. Except possibly when it's coupled with the three letters PhD.

    I was only joking

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      #22

      A very pertinent detail from Renauda’s article:

      OceanGate confirmed its CEO Stockton Rush is aboard the submersible

      As Taleb would say, “skin in the game”

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        #23

        The kid sent me this today .. https://mashable.com/article/missing-titanic-submarine-logitech-game-controller .
        I looked at the article, the tweets, etc. Could this be true? A video game controller???

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        • B blondie

          The kid sent me this today .. https://mashable.com/article/missing-titanic-submarine-logitech-game-controller .
          I looked at the article, the tweets, etc. Could this be true? A video game controller???

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          George K
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          @blondie said in Joining the Titanic:

          Could this be true? A video game controller?

          https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/us-military-video-game-controllers-war/

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Horace
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            With more than 4,000 customer reviews on Amazon, it has a rating of 4.2 stars out of 5. Customers were especially high on the ergonomics of the controller.

            I wonder how many stars it needs to pass safety standards.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • George KG George K

              @blondie said in Joining the Titanic:

              Could this be true? A video game controller?

              https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/us-military-video-game-controllers-war/

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              @George-K said in Joining the Titanic:

              @blondie said in Joining the Titanic:

              Could this be true? A video game controller?

              https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/us-military-video-game-controllers-war/

              What's the betting that the military "improves" the controller enough so that it ends up costing at least 10K?

              I was only joking

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              • JonJ Jon

                A very pertinent detail from Renauda’s article:

                OceanGate confirmed its CEO Stockton Rush is aboard the submersible

                As Taleb would say, “skin in the game”

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                #27

                @Jon said in Joining the Titanic:

                A very pertinent detail from Renauda’s article:

                OceanGate confirmed its CEO Stockton Rush is aboard the submersible

                As Taleb would say, “skin in the game”

                Yeah, I'm sure he genuinely believed he knew better than all those so-called safety experts.

                I was only joking

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                  My kid’s assessment .. “ During the early 2010s if you walked into a computer store's gaming section you could buy one of these OR spend $20 more and buy a wireless Xbox 360 controller.

                  This thing. This f--king thing, is a piece of shit. Sync issues, poor build quality, outclassed in every way by the Xbox 360 pad, and even the Dualshock 3, the PlayStation 3's controller.”

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                    George K
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                    #29

                    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/submarine-titantic-missing-submersible-tourists-latest-b2360568.html

                    A Canadian aircraft searching for the sub in the Atlantic Ocean detected intermittent “banging” noises from the vicinity of its last known location.

                    This discovery was shared via internal e-mails sent to the heads of the Department of Homeland Security.

                    The crew searching for the missing sub heard banging sounds every 30 minutes on Tuesday and again four hours later, after additional sonar devices were deployed.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
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                      #30

                      "Inspirational" > "Experienced"

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #31

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/this-will-be-the-last-chance-mini-submarine-deployed-in-final-bid-to-save-titan-crew/ar-AA1cPGng?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0b1b540810ab434a8c5da61c7b5173be&ei=14

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          #32

                          Has anyone reported any pattern to this banging?

                          Could most people tap out a simple Morse Code SOS?

                          dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot

                          Or dit dah if you want to be picky

                          I would expect a guy driving this sub would at least tap some kind of pattern.

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                            The sonobuoys are going to pick up any unnatural pattern. They're designed to find the quietest subs in the world.

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                              I don't know exactly, I worked for the defense contracting arm of Magnavox in the 80s which made them (since sold to another company). They were designed to locate Soviet nuclear subs. Those could probably go pretty deep.

                              I don't know how well the sound travels in the water.

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                                Copper
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                                So we ought to be able to hear these guys praying.

                                Or if they are getting hungry, preying.

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                                • JonJ Jon

                                  I don't know exactly, I worked for the defense contracting arm of Magnavox in the 80s which made them (since sold to another company). They were designed to locate Soviet nuclear subs. Those could probably go pretty deep.

                                  I don't know how well the sound travels in the water.

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                                  George K
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                                  #36

                                  @Jon said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                                  I don't know exactly, I worked for the defense contracting arm of Magnavox in the 80s which made them (since sold to another company). They were designed to locate Soviet nuclear subs. Those could probably go pretty deep.

                                  I don't know how well the sound travels in the water.

                                  (You're responding to a post I deleted, LOL).

                                  Titanic is at, what, 13000 feet? That's far beyond the capabilities of any submarine isn't it? ISN'T IT??

                                  But as to sound traveling through sea water...

                                  https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sound.html

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Jon
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                                    #37

                                    We don't know how deep the little sub is. But at any rate the Canadians heard it.

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                                      Even if they'd find the boat and even if they'd be able to give them oxygen, how would they ever be able to actually rescue them?

                                      Could you attach a rope and pull the boat up? In such depths, very simple things get very complicated.

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                                        #39

                                        A friend was stationed in an ASW plane on an aircraft carrier. One day he was testing his equipment an dropped a sonar buoy right on top of an LA class sub. He hit it, totally by accident, nobody was supposed to know it was there.

                                        When he landed back on the carrier he was invited to the Captain’s quarters. The captain informed him that he did not find an LA class sub. End of story.

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          Has anyone reported any pattern to this banging?

                                          Could most people tap out a simple Morse Code SOS?

                                          dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot

                                          Or dit dah if you want to be picky

                                          I would expect a guy driving this sub would at least tap some kind of pattern.

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          @Copper said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                                          Has anyone reported any pattern to this banging?

                                          Could most people tap out a simple Morse Code SOS?

                                          dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot

                                          Or dit dah if you want to be picky

                                          I would expect a guy driving this sub would at least tap some kind of pattern.

                                          Morse Code isn’t very inspiring. It’s the kind of thing a 50 year old white guy does. I’m sure it’s probably the drum beat from some techno song. Far more inspiring…

                                          The Brad

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