How well is your community doing on social distancing?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
Why can't we employ the GPS tracking on our phone in the same way Taiwan is? I mean, the NSA already is, actively. Why the hell not turn that data into something useful for public health?
How this work, what would we track?
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@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
I assume you are not serious.
We could ship everyone tested positive to a leper colony, very easily.
Very easily isn't the problem.
Rights and due process are part of the picture.
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And that’s the battle that will play out this summer as we decide whether we’ll be a ‘test and trace’ country or a ‘successive wave’ country. At least until vaccine.
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@Copper said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
I assume you are not serious.
We could ship everyone tested positive to a leper colony, very easily.
Very easily isn't the problem.
Rights and due process are part of the picture.
No, of course I was just joking. I think we should let the market decide and prioritize safety with who's actually contributing to the economy right now. If you're not a current contributor then what does society owe you?
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Copper said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
what does society owe you?
Society? Nothing.
The federal government? Rights enumerated elsewhere, you can look them up.
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@Copper said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Copper said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
what does society owe you?
Society? Nothing.
The federal government? Rights enumerated elsewhere, you can look them up.
Well if people want to be selfish moochers that's their perogative, but it's thinking like that that drags down the economy.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
I just read a second person account of someone who’s Mom went back to South Korea and the GPS tracking app is exactly what she got along with other materials to survive the quarantine. It is a fascinating question as to whether Americans would agree to that. Just thinking about the Patriot Act for example.
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My town is pretty OCD - so A. We have little traffic. People are out walking their dogs, some running. I run on the street and keep about 20 feet from anyone either direction. What's amusing to me is that is not enough for some folks. They will move across the street so we have 60-80 feet of distance. Go figure.
Driving through Chicago late at night - and got an emergency text saying - "you shouldn't be here" - kind of a Big Brother feeling to that.
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@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
I just read a second person account of someone who’s Mom went back to South Korea and the GPS tracking app is exactly what she got along with other materials to survive the quarantine. It is a fascinating question as to whether Americans would agree to that. Just thinking about the Patriot Act for example.
If anyone had ever bothered to read the documents that Snowden leaked, it would be a lot more common knowledge that that level of surveillance is not only going on right now, but it's been automated. If we're already doing it then what's the problem?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
I just read a second person account of someone who’s Mom went back to South Korea and the GPS tracking app is exactly what she got along with other materials to survive the quarantine. It is a fascinating question as to whether Americans would agree to that. Just thinking about the Patriot Act for example.
If anyone had ever bothered to read the documents that Snowden leaked, it would be a lot more common knowledge that that level of surveillance is not only going on right now, but it's been automated. If we're already doing it then what's the problem?
It’s a great thought experiment to see who would agree to it.
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@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
I just read a second person account of someone who’s Mom went back to South Korea and the GPS tracking app is exactly what she got along with other materials to survive the quarantine. It is a fascinating question as to whether Americans would agree to that. Just thinking about the Patriot Act for example.
If anyone had ever bothered to read the documents that Snowden leaked, it would be a lot more common knowledge that that level of surveillance is not only going on right now, but it's been automated. If we're already doing it then what's the problem?
It’s a great thought experiment to see who would agree to it.
My guess would be that the body count would be the only material decider of our collective opinion.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
I just read a second person account of someone who’s Mom went back to South Korea and the GPS tracking app is exactly what she got along with other materials to survive the quarantine. It is a fascinating question as to whether Americans would agree to that. Just thinking about the Patriot Act for example.
If anyone had ever bothered to read the documents that Snowden leaked, it would be a lot more common knowledge that that level of surveillance is not only going on right now, but it's been automated. If we're already doing it then what's the problem?
It’s a great thought experiment to see who would agree to it.
My guess would be that the body count would be the only material decider of our collective opinion.
I’m not sure about that. As the virus peaks wait for the next wave about jobs. This storm is going to be a lot shorter than the misery that follows. The layoffs and furloughs have only just begun.
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@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
Why can't we employ the GPS tracking on our phone in the same way Taiwan is? I mean, the NSA already is, actively. Why the hell not turn that data into something useful for public health?
How this work, what would we track?
People were required to input their local address along with their mobile phone number. They were then linked and through an app, if the phone was outside the local address, they would get a notification that could be followed by a visit and fine.
In addition, they would at random time send you a text (or call you) that you had to respond to to ensure you weren't just leaving your phone at home and going out.
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@kluurs said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
My town is pretty OCD - so A. We have little traffic. People are out walking their dogs, some running. I run on the street and keep about 20 feet from anyone either direction. What's amusing to me is that is not enough for some folks. They will move across the street so we have 60-80 feet of distance. Go figure.
I run on the paths and trails around my area, and while I move off to the side when I see someone coming towards me, there are still many who don´t budge at all. I also try to go in the off-hours as much as possible.
I´m trying to prepare myself for the day when they forbid running--all that huffing and puffing--but God, I hope it doesn´t come to that.
It´s nice seeing so many people outside enjoying nature, but if I see one more person taking a dump in the woods where they think they can´t be seen, I may need to just stick to the streets. Come on, people!
My county: B-.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
@Loki The folks who test positive should all have their contacts notified. We already do that but I understand that's a voluntary process. It shouldn't be voluntary.
And when you're out, you should be notified via alert message when you get within X feet of someone who has Y degrees of known social separation away from someone who tested positive. We can already do this, very easily.
I just read a second person account of someone who’s Mom went back to South Korea and the GPS tracking app is exactly what she got along with other materials to survive the quarantine. It is a fascinating question as to whether Americans would agree to that. Just thinking about the Patriot Act for example.
If anyone had ever bothered to read the documents that Snowden leaked, it would be a lot more common knowledge that that level of surveillance is not only going on right now, but it's been automated. If we're already doing it then what's the problem?
It’s a great thought experiment to see who would agree to it.
My guess would be that the body count would be the only material decider of our collective opinion.
I think we are way past that.
This topic is the only topic for the next several years.
I expect that we will all deposit a blood sample with the government when we renew our driver's licences.
That sample will be used to track every disease known to man.
The company, hardware and software to do this may not exist today. But the amount of money involved in this business will be so big it will make this happen.
I hate this idea, but I expect it is certainly going to happen.
I base this expectation on the enormous overreaction to 9/11, that continues today.
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@LuFins-Dad said in How well is your community doing on social distancing?:
We’ve got a B, which is surprising. I see cars everywhere
I'm looking at 28 right now at rush hour (at the live cameras).
That is as quiet as I have ever seen it at rush hour. Of course it is usually a little lighter during this spring break week, but of course that doesn't apply this year.
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